Gays and the US Military

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But, you know, it's true. Though the robber barons often don't prefer sending in the military - a coup is much more cost-efficient.

One of my good friends is in EOD in the army. It still doesn't change that he believes in a myth about the military that doesn't match up to the reality of the past 50 or 60 years of the military (time marches on and 60 is becoming a more appropriate figure to use...scary.). He lies to himself saying that they're doing good things in Iraq while ignoring the whole "you break it you buy it" aspect of the whole deal and ignoring that Herr Bush 1.7 gave MULTIPLE illegitimate excuses to get into that war and not a single one has been true other than the very last one of "Saddam was a bad guy" after all his other BS excuses ran out. That's unacceptable; it's unnecessary loss of life, unnecessary use of American taxpayer dollars, and goes against international law regarding the deposing of any ruler due to the vast problems that occur with the created power vacuum and the two warring parties left behind struggling to retain or regain power. But he doesn't see that: he only sees the myth of the military hero and acts as a good little rook (again, he's EOD...so he's not an out and out grunt of a pawn). Another of my friends still wants to join the military but can't due to medical problems. They believe the myths that are the religion of the soldier.

That's true re:coup. Just look at who helped get the Ba'athists into power in Iraq, who put the Shah in power in Iran pre-revolution, who funded Al-Quaeda during the Cold war to stage a rebellion/coup against the Soviet-backed government. Our history of coups is kinda what makes me really really really skeptical about the whole Iran election fraud deal. Too little news being listed as real and instead copping out with the "no reliable news can be received" and too many accidents in Iran occurring all at this same time.

Yep, definitely 'agenda driven'.
And shot through with people looking at it with "what's in it for me?" foremost in their minds.

1. Wow, I coincidentaly share a view with a dead comedian. Stop the presses!

2. In my opinion anyone who joins the military (any military) by their own free will (not drafted or joining to help pay for college) is kinda crazy.

I don't see anything wrong with gays in the military, it isn't something that would stop them performing their duties. Perfectly good and very well trained people are being kicked out of the US army simply because of it, people that the military has put time and money into training it just doesn't make sense.

1. you share it word by word. i had a friend who always made that argument too "what i cant happen to have the same opinion?" no, not when the same punchlines are used. if so, rephrase.

2. i aggree, theyre lunatics. they should be kept under observation, not sent armed into populated areas.

Considering the American Psychological Association's cozy relationship with the torturers in Gitmo, who will observe the observers?

I'll do it, I'll do it!


/Who wants to watch me?
//I like being watched.

I wonder why the Republican wannabes aren't making an issue out of the repeal of President Clinton's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy?

Are Republicans supposed to be foaming at the mouth with outrage?

I think it's a good policy, it's fair.

The problem with having gays in the military ought to be seen as the same as having members of the opposite sex in the military. It's possible that sexual attraction may undermine the ability for serving members to carry out their duties as effectively.

Suppose we try and make a military with the attempt at negating entirely sexual attraction within it.

The problem with gays vs straight is that you can seperate male and females in the military by having an all male or all female group, but with gays you can only have 1 gay male and 1 gay female in a group and no more without having possible sexual attraction going on.

Due to my antisexism and antisexualism, I believe that sexual orientation should have nothing to do with one's status in any state's armed forces and women should be allowed the exact same rights as men in the armed forces. Sexualism and sexism have no place in a rational society, which the USA is not.

The whole debate is not based in reason, given the huge amount of warrior societies that were very strongly homosexual, such as the Spartans and many highland New Guinean Peoples. It is just stupid and backward, frankly.

Typical hyperbole that we see from the uncritical followers of Ezra.

As you should well know, the CHRC has no jurisdiction over your personal statements. You can only attract the attention of the CHRC if you are involved in a government or a commercial activity that falls within federal jurisdiction. Ezra and his ilk fall within that ambit; your commentary does not.

So if you wish to express an opinion, by all means do so. It would be helpful if you could back up your opinion with evidence, but that's what I would call a, "nice-to-have."

I do not care if your gay or strait just as long as you do your job