fat BNp leader Nick "Creosote" Griffin on question

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Inner-city areas have more than their share of problems, but you'd be a fool to blame those on the race of the people living there. You're just scapegoating because you aren't willing to recognize and respond to real issues.

And no thanks, I have no interest in hanging out in a backwater rural area. I rather like civilization.

I don't recall reading that. I'd actually find it interesting to know exactly what you do think about these issues. So, where would you take this country with regard to immigration?

yeah because London was a green and pleasant land of genteel peoples doffing their caps to each other, singing 'Rule Brittannia' after a night at the moving pictures and stopping for a chat at the local. And rural backwaters were never, never ever ridden with rape, familial violence and poverty. At all. then came them there nasty foreigners!

Knife and gun crime is especially prevalent amongst blacks here in the UK in inner cities, Orwell. Who else do I blame that on? White people, perhaps?

Much of our country's history and identity lies outside the big cities. You'd be foolish to visit just London, for example, and take that away as an impression of Britain. London isn't much different to any big city in Europe or N America -- a consequence of multiculturalism is that places separated by thousands of miles become very similar.

Being a Marxist I don't see it as a problem to be solved, just a feature of global capitalism.

I wrote this in the Do you consider Islam a threat? discussion:

"That said I think multiculturalism is the most virulently racist ideology yet to raise it's ugly head. I say this because multiculturalism exists only as the white liberal obverse of a global capitalist economy which annihilates or assimilates every society and culture in it's path. The very reason human beings (I deliberately use this term, for they are) from Africa, Asia, Latin America, the Middle East migrate to the first world is because of the sheer devestation sociologically, economically, ecologically which the global economy wreaks upon the thrid world. The only way to maintain both this economy and political stability in the west is through multiculturalism. Maybe there is a point where we just have to say on the level of identification there is an irreducible alien-ness to each other, our hatred and violence should be directed not at each other but at the thing which throws us together....

You want Arabs to stay in Arabia? Stop arming Saudi kings so you can have cheap oil.
You want Africans to stay in Africa? Stop poisoning their continent. Stop dumping your federally subsidised and substandard crops on their market.
You want Latin Americans to stay in Latin America? Stop destabilising every government that doesn't squeal "Uncle Sam!" every time you walk into the room. Stop your absolutely ineffective, wasteful and bloody handed policies on drugs and do something that works rather than what's good as a quick soundbite.
And Asia. Well Asia is a mess. Course they kicked you out of there many a moon ago."

The same is true here in the US. The problem isn't the melanin concentration in someone's skin, it's the social and economic conditions that underprivileged groups find themselves in. To some extent, you could try to blame that on "white people" as white people are in charge and so at least partially responsible for the abysmal conditions in the inner city, but that's a rather simplistic way of viewing the issue.

Okay, thanks for that. Just one more small request if you've got time: how could your form of Marxism be practically implemented in Britain today, and what would that mean for the average citizen? As an aside, a friend of mine used to be a leftist like you when he was younger. He's now pro-BNP, just like me. Even you may yet see the light, TitusLucretiusCarus.

I don't buy all that underprivileged stuff. They get all the welfare payments that white people do, and can play the race card whenever they want. You need to look elsewhere for answers, otherwise we'll be on a permanent white guilt trip.

I'm not interested in guilt trips, I'm interested in solving problems and moving past petty racial divides. Whites don't need to feel any guilt or be self-hating to want to resolve issues that exist in our society. The fact is that the inner cities are a horrible environment, and that's true with or without foreigners. Urban crime was a problem in the Victorian age, too. I think back then they said the poor were inferior, now you're saying the foreigners are inferior.

oh, you know the old proletarian revolution line. Peacefully if possible, though anything apporaching an inroad on capitalism and private property would be met by the resistance of the bourgeoisie - in short - Labour party achieves majority in parliament, bill forced through abolishing House of Lords and Monarchy - by enabling act if necessary. If resistance of capitalist class becomes violent this is met with Red Terror. And yes I have spent long lonely hours considering the moral etc implications of this route and come to the conclusion that this is both a correct and 'virtuous' (to utilise a Robespierrian concept) course of action, considering Capitalism is responsible for the majority of todays ills - famine in Africa for one example (food is produced according to market competition, all markets function as a means of distributing items of scarcity - if food is scarce...well 1+1=?).
Define what you mean by 'average citizen' please.
yeah, I'm a true-believer, not a part timer in it for kicks, thanks. I've looked at the BNP's proposals and laughed heartily, it also reminded me why this sort of petty-bourgeois nationalism is completely incapable of taking an indepent line. Your economic policies, for example, try to walk some non-existent middle ground between the demands of workers and those of capital.

Racial divides aren't petty. They are sociological and genetically significant. You'll get nowhere until you recognise that.


Indeed they are. And in a small country like Britain mass immigration with the resulting population increase forces more people to live in those conditions.

Homeowner, living with partner, joint income £50k a year, 2 kids, say.

Out of curiousity is this what one would call a nationalist in a derogatory sense. One who might not like cultural or foreign integration because it isn't for the greater good.....supposedly.

Just curious.

@ missconstrue - Griffin once held a meeting with Daivd Duke as a 'friend from America'

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfwdNAT8sWU[/youtube]

well, the end of private property doesn't bode well for being a 'homeowner'.

So I take it Griffin wouldn't be considered a nationalist....

What about ascan?

I don't know about the US but nationalist in Britain is to be racist, in my experience. The two are very rarely divided here.