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18 Mar 2010, 6:47 pm

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Mr. leejosepho, are you trolling us, or is your memory faltering?


Neither, just exposing foolishness!


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18 Mar 2010, 7:24 pm

If it doesn't affect you, then you have no say. At least you shouldn't. I believe woman have the right to abort their fetus, if they know they can't take care of it. Why ruin two lives when you can just prevent one? If you use a condom then you just killed a potential human being by denying it a chance at life. Same as abortion.


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18 Mar 2010, 8:11 pm

leejosepho wrote:
PLA wrote:
Mr. leejosepho, are you trolling us, or is your memory faltering?


Neither, just exposing foolishness!


Very generous of you but confessions of foolishness must be rather embarrassing.



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18 Mar 2010, 10:14 pm

No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.



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18 Mar 2010, 10:20 pm

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No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.


Is that he normal woolen cap you are suggesting? A hat with a brim would be rather difficult to shove into an as*hole and the standard cap with a visor would really present a problem. Soft and flexible caps especially manufactured for as*hole shoving are difficult to find these days as the number of as*holes are far greater than normal manufacturing capacity.



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18 Mar 2010, 10:24 pm

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PunkyKat wrote:
No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.


Is that he normal woolen cap you are suggesting? A hat with a brim would be rather difficult to shove into an as*hole and the standard cap with a visor would really present a problem. Soft and flexible caps especially manufactured for as*hole shoving are difficult to find these days as the number of as*holes are far greater than normal manufacturing capacity.


"Pop a cap in their ass" is a slang term for shooting someone.



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18 Mar 2010, 10:31 pm

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PunkyKat wrote:
No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.


Is that he normal woolen cap you are suggesting? A hat with a brim would be rather difficult to shove into an as*hole and the standard cap with a visor would really present a problem. Soft and flexible caps especially manufactured for as*hole shoving are difficult to find these days as the number of as*holes are far greater than normal manufacturing capacity.


"Pop a cap in their ass" is a slang term for shooting someone.


No need for firearms. Nobody is going to forcefully provide medical services in the Kalahari Desert. It's hard enough just to get a glass of water.



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18 Mar 2010, 11:44 pm

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Sand wrote:
PunkyKat wrote:
No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.


Is that he normal woolen cap you are suggesting? A hat with a brim would be rather difficult to shove into an as*hole and the standard cap with a visor would really present a problem. Soft and flexible caps especially manufactured for as*hole shoving are difficult to find these days as the number of as*holes are far greater than normal manufacturing capacity.


"Pop a cap in their ass" is a slang term for shooting someone.


No need for firearms. Nobody is going to forcefully provide medical services in the Kalahari Desert. It's hard enough just to get a glass of water.


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19 Mar 2010, 6:57 am

leejosepho wrote:
PLA wrote:
Mr. leejosepho, are you trolling us, or is your memory faltering?


Neither, just exposing foolishness!

Your own, then? You're succeeding so far.

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And how shall we assure such a line is never drawn anywhere past the womb's exit?

Child protection laws. I don't know anything about the laws in your region, but over here it's considered a crime to kill a child.

"Child" being defined as "a person between birth and full growth".



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19 Mar 2010, 4:44 pm

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I stated a fact. Neither a fetus or a new-born has enough brain mass to sustain a human intellect, hence it is not a person. However, brain-growth is fast and furious so in a matter of weeks a human infant has enough brain to become a person.

What is personhood?


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19 Mar 2010, 8:22 pm

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I stated a fact. Neither a fetus or a new-born has enough brain mass to sustain a human intellect, hence it is not a person. However, brain-growth is fast and furious so in a matter of weeks a human infant has enough brain to become a person.

What is personhood?


The capability of having an intention.

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19 Mar 2010, 10:39 pm

some scientists (note - not animal-rights activists, but actual working neuroscientists) are debating whether dolphins should be considered persons:
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... erson.html

Personally, I think a mentally-normal adult dolphin is closer to a person than a z/e/f in the first two trimesters.



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19 Mar 2010, 10:50 pm

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some scientists (note - not animal-rights activists, but actual working neuroscientists) are debating whether dolphins should be considered persons:
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... erson.html

Personally, I think a mentally-normal adult dolphin is closer to a person than a z/e/f in the first two trimesters.


Having never met a dolphin nor even had an internet conversation with one I cannot really comment on their personhood but I treat my pet sparrow as a person and he seems to react as one.



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20 Mar 2010, 1:07 am

LKL wrote:
some scientists (note - not animal-rights activists, but actual working neuroscientists) are debating whether dolphins should be considered persons:
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2 ... erson.html

Personally, I think a mentally-normal adult dolphin is closer to a person than a z/e/f in the first two trimesters.


As soon as the Dolphins sign a petition to that effect we should give them a fair hearing.

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20 Mar 2010, 5:27 am

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PLA wrote:
Mr. leejosepho, are you trolling us, or is your memory faltering?


Neither, just exposing foolishness!

How delightfully senile. :)

Question: Do you believe or do you not believe that legalisation of abortion poses a threat to the survival of the human race?


Dolphins: Any advances in dolphin-human communication are exciting. I would certainly hear them out if they meant to say something interesting.


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20 Mar 2010, 7:58 am

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No. If I ever get pregnant and they need to do countless ultrasounds or surgeries I will not do it. If they come to my house and try and force me to go to a clinic or hospital, I will pop a cap in their ass. If anyone tries to force me to have any prodecure done regardless of being pregnant or not I will pop a cap in them.


You make a good point: Pregnancy is not a medical condition, and it is not in need of medical treatment.


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