New Arizona Law called "fundamentally racist."
M.
You're welcome to your opinions, Inventor, but keep your brazen personal accusations to yourself. Repetitively citing quotes that underscore my point doesn't bother me, but does make the discussion rather moot.
M.
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Coming across the border at night with a backpack of drugs is a lot of criminal behavior.
The One Principal this country was founded under, is equal justice under law.
The Contitution is the law that protects the rights of citizens.
Elected and appointed officals are barred from changing that law, and must swear an oath that they will uphold it, before they can take office.
It is a system that has served us well, the main reason that millions of legal immigrants have wanted to become citizens, and we will defend it.
Everyone coming here was fleeing the whims of petty tyrants, who put themselves above the rights of all.
That two Wrong Planet Moderaters chose to overthrow all of the Protections and Rights of The Citizens of these United States, in favor of their drug running friends from the Mexican cartels, is noted.
Your entire argument boils down to calling us all Nazis for wanting to keep and enforce the long existing law of the land.
Inventor, I see you are still on your 'purity' kick that ran off Australians from this site because they were only family members of children with Aspergers. As a moderator I intervened in that dispute and the consensus from the ran off Australians was you needed this site more than they did because as they put it 'where else could you go?' So they left and you remained.
I tell you this so you realize you are on WP as a concession to other peoples pity of you not because you are necessarily worthy. The idea that you benefit from others compassion when you have little of your own may give you pause, but I really don't think it will/does.
As for your 'facts'. You assume something to be so, because it was so at one time, or at least you thought it was. Personally I think your ego driven drivel comes from having far too much time on your hands and sitting behind a computer gives you false bravery that you could never match should you actually have to be in person with other people.
Merle
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Merle, could you stick to the subject of the thread?
The United States is currently deporting hundreds of thousands of people a year for coming here illegally. It is what the Border Patrol and INS do for a living.
Since you seem to have missed it, we have been doing this evey year for a long time, it is the law, the way we protect our country.
All other countries do the same.
It is that way because the vast majority of the Citizens think it should be that way.
I am very much the same in person.
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I think it should be that way.
I am very much the same in person.
Sorry, I was distracted so much by your vitrol I thought the subject of the thread was to hurl ad homonym attacks at people that disagreed with one's own opinion. Ah, well, perhaps that is only your privilege.
I just wanted you to get it 'duly noted' in whatever little notebook you are keeping ( as per the Lord High Executioner) so when the authoritarians take over I will get what is coming to me.
Merle
It costs our nation more to have these Illegal aliens living here, then anything else. They work here, get free section 8 housing in some cases, food stamps, use our health facility's.. all on the tax payer dime. If they're making money they pay no taxes, and send money out of this country, out of our economy and into Mexico's. It's ignorant. I don't feel the law's are strict enough. Over 20 million illegals living in America, and these idiots are afraid of "offending" people who aren't suppose to be here to begin with ?? What's wrong with "progressive" liberals today ?
We speak English in America. Our fore fathers who came here LEGALLY LEARNED English. These people are so ignorant they refuse to learn it. They disrespect our law's, take money and jobs out of our pockets when we need both so much in these times... Why is this even allowed ?
People who fall for that "oh it's stereotyping, blah blah" No it's not. There hasto be a deliberate suspicion. They teach English in our schools, so clearly if the guy doesn't know English.. chances are he wasn't born here. I say make a law, if you're here illegally on your second offense you're locked up for 10 years, 5 years if parole eligible.
These latino (), kick 'm out.
Precisely the racist drivel that so many of us in Arizona are fighting against. The law and this mentality are both toxic. The law will be struck down, though the damage has been done. I don't think anyone has said there are no problems, but a line is crossed when that is used as valid reasoning for an unjust law. Considering who the latecomers are, that sort of mentality comes across as more ignorant that effective in my opinion.
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Cross the border into Mexico, without a visa, two years in jail. Jail is a wall around a block and you have to buy food, water, medical care, a lawyer. After two years you will be turned over to the police where you came from.
To rent a hotel room, you must show proof of identity and that you have a legal visa. Every hotel is part of the police function.
This year we are on track to deport over 600,000, border security is being tightened.
None of this has anything to do with Arizona. It is a basic function of government to secure the borders, and regulate who is allowed in.
The Border Patrol is the same along the Canadian border, They are not a racist group, they are equal oppertunity deportions.
As a Citizen I have to provide ID, Social Security number, Federal Tax Number, to do most business, To employ someone I have to get the same from them, then withold Social Security, FICA, Income Tax, from their pay. Failure to do any of this subjects me to Civil and Criminal Law.
Equality means treating everyone the same under the law.
The mentality of the latecomers to this discussion is Left Coast Loony, The New Age Socialist Reality, no borders, no papers, no laws, as defined by the Socially Evolved, and dictated to the rest of us.
This point of view is common in prisons, they claim to be oppressed by people who have things, which they then Liberate, for The Movement. The Law is just Racist Class Warfare.
The vast majority of America supports enforcing our existing laws.
Protests have brought the problem to national attention, and now a majority are turning against legal immigration. No one is in favor of solving the problem by giving passports to nameless people, who a background check would show are wanted in Mexico.
Several years ago the same law was passed in Houston, that the police can ask about immigration status. There were no protests, the law stands, and is being proposed as a State Law. Does not speak English, has no ID, we should be asking questions.
The view from America is secure the border, and deport everyone who does not have a legal right to be here.
Rewarding criminal behavior is wrong.
To rent a hotel room, you must show proof of identity and that you have a legal visa. Every hotel is part of the police function.
This year we are on track to deport over 600,000, border security is being tightened.
None of this has anything to do with Arizona. It is a basic function of government to secure the borders, and regulate who is allowed in.
The Border Patrol is the same along the Canadian border, They are not a racist group, they are equal oppertunity deportions.
As a Citizen I have to provide ID, Social Security number, Federal Tax Number, to do most business, To employ someone I have to get the same from them, then withold Social Security, FICA, Income Tax, from their pay. Failure to do any of this subjects me to Civil and Criminal Law.
Equality means treating everyone the same under the law.
The mentality of the latecomers to this discussion is Left Coast Loony, The New Age Socialist Reality, no borders, no papers, no laws, as defined by the Socially Evolved, and dictated to the rest of us.
This point of view is common in prisons, they claim to be oppressed by people who have things, which they then Liberate, for The Movement. The Law is just Racist Class Warfare.
The vast majority of America supports enforcing our existing laws.
Protests have brought the problem to national attention, and now a majority are turning against legal immigration. No one is in favor of solving the problem by giving passports to nameless people, who a background check would show are wanted in Mexico.
Several years ago the same law was passed in Houston, that the police can ask about immigration status. There were no protests, the law stands, and is being proposed as a State Law. Does not speak English, has no ID, we should be asking questions.
The view from America is secure the border, and deport everyone who does not have a legal right to be here.
Rewarding criminal behavior is wrong.
It is racist only when blacks or hispanics are involved. We must not do anything that upsets those with a brown or black or otherwise dark complexion.
ruveyn
We speak English in America. Our fore fathers who came here LEGALLY LEARNED English. These people are so ignorant they refuse to learn it. They disrespect our law's, take money and jobs out of our pockets when we need both so much in these times... Why is this even allowed ?
People who fall for that "oh it's stereotyping, blah blah" No it's not. There hasto be a deliberate suspicion. They teach English in our schools, so clearly if the guy doesn't know English.. chances are he wasn't born here. I say make a law, if you're here illegally on your second offense you're locked up for 10 years, 5 years if parole eligible.
My ancestors already knew English when they came here... however I'm willing to bet everything I own that many of them came here illegally. Potato famine, crappy economy compared to what we have in the USA and all that.
Same reasons Mexicans come here. They just want to make a living and they can't do it staying in Mexico. If Mexico wasn't such a sh***y country, we wouldn't have this immigration issue right now, plain and simple.
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We speak English in America. Our fore fathers who came here LEGALLY LEARNED English. These people are so ignorant they refuse to learn it. They disrespect our law's, take money and jobs out of our pockets when we need both so much in these times... Why is this even allowed ?
People who fall for that "oh it's stereotyping, blah blah" No it's not. There hasto be a deliberate suspicion. They teach English in our schools, so clearly if the guy doesn't know English.. chances are he wasn't born here. I say make a law, if you're here illegally on your second offense you're locked up for 10 years, 5 years if parole eligible.
My ancestors already knew English when they came here... however I'm willing to bet everything I own that many of them came here illegally. Potato famine, crappy economy compared to what we have in the USA and all that.
Same reasons Mexicans come here. They just want to make a living and they can't do it staying in Mexico. If Mexico wasn't such a sh***y country, we wouldn't have this immigration issue right now, plain and simple.
It's not our problem that Mexico is a sh***y country. Send them back anyway and let them demand new leadership in Mexico to fix it.
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