Do you believe in GOD?

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Shut up, moron.

It's difficult to determine if time is wasted. One does all sorts of things with time and very frequently what was assumed wasted becomes a crucial element in life.

That is so true, it is an easy cop-out, he hasn't been able to succesfully sustain his arguments and can't refute AG's.

In other words, Flair=EPIC FAIL!! ! haha

Moron? If I recall correctly earlier I said we should call a stalemate disagreement but no you wanted to continue going on.

Well AG is duty bound to point out the weaknesses, contradictions and out right fallacies in your argument, for that matter anyones argument, it is his Raison d'être. I must point out that the last time he was directly and unequivocally insulting was well over a year ago, so take pride in the fact that your line of reasoning has reduced him to this. From memory the last person to take AG to such depths was Ish***l, who thankfully has refrained from posting his idiotic diatribes.

No, more like the existence of Cicero, Aristotle, Hammurabi, Sargon, Nefertiti, Demosthenes, Paley, Maxwell, Von Braun, Pasteur, Edison, Louis XIV, Napoleon, et al.

Truly amazing. I had never heard that Napoleon was mentioned in the Bible. No wonder he did so well.

Nebuchadnezzar then, if you wish to play that game.

No I do NOT.

I am logical, I won't blindly believe in a bearded magical man (who apparently refuses to use his omnipotence to help anyone or prevent disasters despite how he's meant to be benevolent and omniscient) who sits in the clouds all day unless someone can give me actual evidence that any of it is true.

Actually I find Napoleon far more plausible.

Why should God do anything for us? Benevolence alone? Heck, anyone who could put up with all the complaints and insults that God receives would be beyond benevolence. Why doesn't God solve all our problems just because he can? Why don't police just shoot everyone around them just because they can?

By that logic, you can say "why don't unicorns turn their invisibility devices off? Just because they can? Well why should they?"

I still haven't seen PROOF.

Fine.

Everything that has a beginning has a cause. The universe, the matter and energy, either had a beginning or it has existed infinitely. The universe could not have existed infinitely, since it would have undergone entropic heat death long since, so the universe must have had a beginning. Since the universe had a beginning, it had a cause. The universe, consisting of matter and energy, either must have created itself or must have been created by another agent. Matter and energy cannot create themselves, but only change forms, so matter and energy, the universe, must have been created by another agent.

The Big Bang created the universe, there is scientific evidence backing this.

And what, may I ask, created God then?

The Big Bang is the currently accepted scenario of how the universe started, but it does not say anything other than a possible method by which this event happened.

As for "what created God", there may be an infinite series of agents, each creating the next or a finite set or just one. It would be simpler to assume just one rather than a multitude. With just one, this one must not have a beginning or else this agent would need a cause. In a finite set, the original member must be without a beginning. In an infinite set it would also require an originator without a beginning. There may be nothing to exactly determine the number of agents by vacuum reasoning alone. The agent, or agents, would need to reveal themselves in order for a precise knowledge to be obtained. I consider the Bible to be containing such an historical revelation of who this agent is, but that is an entirely separate set of argumentation.

No no, the Big Bang is scientific fact. There are recordings to prove it, you can even find them on YouTube.

So, basically, either there are infinite gods (in which case something must have created the first one), or there is one which had no cause. Either way, you're telling me that, at some point, a causeless god (or "agent" as you put it) was created. So, I ask you, why can't the universe be the same? If you're going to make exceptions to your own "everything has a cause" rule, why not make this one?

TBH, to me, these kind of debates resemble trying to convince a little kid that monsters aren't real. Whenever you give them a reason they can't exist, they come up with a reason they can - they make it up as they go along, of course.

Kid: There's a monster under my bed!
Adult: Monsters don't exist!
Kid: They do, I saw it last night!
Adult: Show it to me now, then
Kid: It's invisible in the day time!

You get the idea. And that's what religious beliefs resemble to me.

1: God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving
2: Why do bad things happen then?
1: He gave us free will
2: Why are there natural disasters?
1: Just because he loves everyone it doesn't mean he wants to keep them alive!
2: Why have I never seen him in the sky?
1: Umm... He's invisible! Just like heaven!

In fact, I could even go so far as to say that the only reason religion still exists is the same reason conspiracy theories work: once a person is convinced of something and truly believes it, they will hold on to this belief, even if all logic says otherwise. Which is what little kids who are scared of monsters do, too.