Does anyone else have any politically radical ideas?

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How many of you have politically radical ideas?
One or two politically radical ideas 19%  19%  [ 10 ]
Two or more politically radical ideas 77%  77%  [ 41 ]
I don't have any radical ideas at all 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
Total votes : 53

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09 Jan 2012, 2:30 am

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I want to abolish the government.


sounds like a plan. how do you propose we go about it?


Use the 1787 model. A Constitutional Convention. The 1787 Convention abolished the Articles of Confederation of 1783 and replaced them with version 1.0 of the U.S. Constitution.

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09 Jan 2012, 2:32 am

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Offer 3 percent of the world's GDP to any individual or corporation which successfully creates an extra-solar colony. Offer 5 percent if they manage to replicate this elsewhere.

Offer a stipend of twice current yearly income to anyone who successfully automates their job.

Offer an additional stipend for each job an individual successfully makes obsolete.

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09 Jan 2012, 2:57 am

Yeah I am pretty anti-establishment.


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09 Jan 2012, 1:33 pm

ruveyn wrote:
peebo wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I want to abolish the government.


sounds like a plan. how do you propose we go about it?


Use the 1787 model. A Constitutional Convention. The 1787 Convention abolished the Articles of Confederation of 1783 and replaced them with version 1.0 of the U.S. Constitution.

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wouldn't this just result in the government being replaced with another government?


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09 Jan 2012, 9:30 pm

I want there to be a world revolution and destroy capitalism and other oppressive forms of government.
I want international, democratic socialism. I want the stock market to crash and to not be so dependent of technology.
Drugs should be legal since the drug addicts get them anyway. It would save room in prison.


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09 Jan 2012, 10:44 pm

artrat wrote:
I want there to be a world revolution and destroy capitalism and other oppressive forms of government.
I want international, democratic socialism. I want the stock market to crash and to not be so dependent of technology.
Drugs should be legal since the drug addicts get them anyway. It would save room in prison.


The communist system of Russia had to be modified to allow some elements of a market economy. In 1924 Lenin instituted the New Economic Policy which allowed a limited market economy to exist in the Soviet Union. The alternative would have been starvation. Communism simply does not work to producer enough food and other vital goods for people to live on. So the Communists could not get away from some degree of capitalism if they wished to survive.

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09 Jan 2012, 11:09 pm

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I want international, democratic socialism.


Why don't you go and move to a Democratic Socialist Republic?

Of, oh...

Sri Lanka? Or Vietnam? Two lovely countries? Vietnam in particular is a police state - a relatively benign one compared to the world's worst but still a police state. Sri Lanka is just recovering from an extremely brutal civil war and has had violent and murderous tensions between the minority Tamils and the majority Sinhalese. The terrorist group Tamil Tigers were militarily defeated three years ago. Having said that, Sri Lanka does at least appear to be a democracy but, as far as I can tell, isn't really that socialist.

Oh, and I know this is not quite what you were asking for but what about a Democratic People's Republic like North Korea, a country where most of the population's people have been left, basically, to starve? Or a People's Republic like China? Pleasant enough I believe if you have money and live in the nicer cities but isn't really communist at all these days but it's still very repressive and authoritarian. Or what about a People's Democratic Republic like Laos? Again, another police state.

Basically, the point I'm trying to make is that the only pleasant countries that officially call themselves socialist have given into market capitalism in varying degrees. Truly hardline socialist countries, like North Korea, aren't worth living in. Cuba, although it's meant to be a very fun place, is only really that way on the surface. It's still quite repressive underneath - constant searches, questioning, surveillance and so on.



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09 Jan 2012, 11:39 pm

artrat wrote:
I want there to be a world revolution and destroy capitalism and other oppressive forms of government.
I want international, democratic socialism. I want the stock market to crash and to not be so dependent of technology.
Drugs should be legal since the drug addicts get them anyway. It would save room in prison.


Are you a primitivist? I know an anarcho-primitivist. It's harmless enough as an ideology if you just want to make like the Amish and form your own commune, but as plan for any large number of people to follow, it sucks.

Technology is the only reason we can keep the world population so high. A primitivist ideology is one that necessitates extremely high rates of starvation and death for a time. People won't voluntarily keep the population down in some cultures (some are obsessed with churning out more humans) - so in order to achieve the needed huge population drop without everyone starving to death you would need to hold off on the 'back to nature' policies whilst meanwhile doing one or more of the following:
1. forced sterilisation
2. one-child policy (this takes too long)
3. genocide of fast-breeding populations
Or you could just let people starve to death on an unprecedented scale. I mean, it's okay as personal philosophy, but I wonder how many primitivists have thought through what the widespread implications would be. If they have, and they're still primitivists, then they must be really misanthropic.

I love tech btw, and I don't understand why someone would want to do with less of it.

Also, I noticed that you think there would still be prison in a post-revolutionary society. That's interesting.


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10 Jan 2012, 12:14 am

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Or you could just let people starve to death on an unprecedented scale. I mean, it's okay as personal philosophy, but I wonder how many primitivists have thought through what the widespread implications would be. If they have, and they're still primitivists, then they must be really misanthropic.


I've heard of this ideology before. It is astonishingly disgusting and repellent. It takes some beating, put it that way.



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10 Jan 2012, 12:16 am

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I love tech btw, and I don't understand why someone would want to do with less of it.


Notice that she's posting her bile using a computer, one of the main examples of newly-developed technology in our age... which only exists because of market capitalism! You couldn't make it up.

Why are you using the Internet if you hate technology so much, artrat? There is all kinds of wrong with whatever you've just posted.



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10 Jan 2012, 12:36 am

Tequila wrote:
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Or you could just let people starve to death on an unprecedented scale. I mean, it's okay as personal philosophy, but I wonder how many primitivists have thought through what the widespread implications would be. If they have, and they're still primitivists, then they must be really misanthropic.


I've heard of this ideology before. It is astonishingly disgusting and repellent. It takes some beating, put it that way.


When you take it to its natural conclusion, yes. I'm often shocked by people's inability/unwillingness to do that.

I don't know if artrat hates tech and is a primitivist necessarily; she could feel, as a number of people do and have done in every age, that tech detracts from the full human experience and robs humans of their self-sufficiency. I disagree because it's very subjective as to what the 'human experience' should be and I doubt I could even survive in the wild if I wanted to, which I don't.


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10 Jan 2012, 12:41 am

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I disagree because it's very subjective as to what the 'human experience' should be and I doubt I could even survive in the wild if I wanted to, which I don't.


Lots of us couldn't, don't worry about that. ;)



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10 Jan 2012, 12:55 pm

I've recently come to the conclusion that we won't see any real significant social changes in America until most of the baby boomers are either dead or out of political office.

One social issue that really bugs me is how children are used as a tool for policy reform by both the Right and the Left. Conservatives appeal to them when confronting issues like gay marriage and drug policy, and liberals appeal to them when when confronting gun laws and public safety issues, and both sides appeal to children whenever they object to something they see in the arts and entertainment. Because of this, consenting adults have become the most maligned demographic in the US.



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10 Jan 2012, 1:14 pm

Let's stay on course!


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10 Jan 2012, 1:36 pm

I want to live in direct democracy (anarchism), but I kind of know it isn't going to happen.



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10 Jan 2012, 1:37 pm

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I want to live in direct democracy (anarchism), but I kind of know it isn't going to happen.


Do you favour a Swiss-style direct democracy? If so, many radical classical liberals in the UK favour this too.