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Khan_Sama
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11 Aug 2010, 8:56 pm

The mission of the Prophets of God has been to train the souls of humanity and free them from the thralldom of natural instincts and physical tendencies. They are like unto Gardeners, and the world of humanity is the field of Their cultivation, the wilderness and untrained jungle growth wherein They proceed to labor. - Abdul Baha

And I'm sorry - I had difficulty understanding your question.



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11 Aug 2010, 9:04 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
The mission of the Prophets of God has been to train the souls of humanity and free them from the thralldom of natural instincts and physical tendencies. They are like unto Gardeners, and the world of humanity is the field of Their cultivation, the wilderness and untrained jungle growth wherein They proceed to labor. - Abdul Baha

This does not seem to be consistent with married sexuals not being discouraged from having sex for sexual gratification or sex being pure.

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And I'm sorry - I had difficulty understanding your question.

Why do you think fruits are so tasty? Because the fruits have evolved to taste good so that animals so that they can spread their seeds. Their seeds being their means of reproduction - a sexual one at that.


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12 Aug 2010, 8:20 am

That's a tough question Henriksson. I don't know with regard to sex, but Abdul Baha has talked about the differences between minerals, plants, animals, humans, and Manifestations. I don't remember the exact text, its been a while since I read it. It's somewhere here in part four of Some Answered Questions: http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/

Sorry I can't point to the exact page or explain it in brief. I'm very busy today (and will be for the next few). ^^;;



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13 Aug 2010, 7:34 am

Henriksson wrote:
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I made a huge blunder earlier - while the Baha'i writings make it clear that the purpose of sex is conceiving, married couples are not discouraged from having sex for sexual gratification. I had a different interpretation that was clearly wrong after looking into it. I apologise.


When we read carefully we see that the Baha'i writings consider procreation as the PRIMARY and not the sole purpose of marriage which has many important secondary functions. For example, when the state builds universities, the primary purpose is to provide the nation with educated professionals, BUT they also have to provide housing, sports facilities etc which are important secondary needs. If someone went to university solely for sports and fun, he would be missing the primary and essential purpose of university.

As to homosexuality, the Baha'i teachings require that sexuality should be restricted to within marriage; since gay marriages are not provided for, and it would be impossible to liberalise gay sex and prohibit non-gay sex outside marriage, homosexuality is prohibited to Baha'is, which under no circumstances means that Baha'is are allowed to interfere in how other people behave in their private lives. Baha'i institutions might, however, intervene if the behaviour of a Baha'i disturbs the community.



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13 Aug 2010, 7:46 am

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So the answer to question of why that "to be acceptable to Bahá'ís, the egg cell of the wife should be fertilized by the sperm of the husband in the procedure" is "no"? That doesn't make sense. Given the above, wouldn't it follow that adoption is also wrong?


There is no mention of this in Baha'i sacred writings, so the Universal House of Justice has given this advice which the present UHJ might wish to comment upon and that a future Universal House of justice might modify. To my understanding this is a useful advice as the donor might be felt as an intrusion in the couple, a kind of biological adultery, if you like which can be humiliating to the infertile member of the couple. In case of an adoption, the couple is at equal standing. When a person marries a person which has already a child, he is aware at the onset.

Adoption is encouraged and Baha'u'llah states that educating someone else's child is like educating Baha'u'llah's own child.



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16 Aug 2010, 10:25 am

I am a Bahá'í Aspie, and I am glad to see discussion of the Bahá'í Faith on this forum. While at this point I will refrain from getting involved in the previous discussion, I would be interested in talking with other Bahá'í's on the autism spectrum, since I am considering writing a book on the Faith and autism.