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06 Apr 2011, 3:24 am
Omerik wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I would just like to point out that on the thread where originally I got flamed a Jewish person said the same thing about the 1st Amendment and not a single word came from Jeremy about how it is really about the Terms and Agreements. He did not get called uneducated, he did not get accused of letting an NS speak freely without question, and he did not get accused of saying holocaust denial was intellectually honest.
No, I did not. And so I would appreciate it if you edit your post, because I said nothing like it.
Actually, I also didn't say that the forum should adopt the rules of the United States. I merely stated my opinion on this subject. I said I support the amendment as an idea. I didn't say the the American Constitution should be the basis for this forum. Then I probably wasn't called uneducated because I didn't say those things, nor support them in any way. And I don't know what "letting him speak freely without question" means for you, but I did comment on one statement of his, that others didn't pay attention to.
Please, if anything, I said that uneducated, stupid liars who try to spread false and evil propaganda should be free to talk, as other people should. I said that they should be answered, not ignored.
I support your right to say what you want. That doesn't mean that I respect it.
And I certainly don't respect what you did with this post.
I was accused of these things if you look back earlier in the thread, not you. That would be ridiculous if someone said it to you.
It will be edited. I have problems with reading comprehension sometimes because of my Asperger's, sometimes on a delusional level.. I am extremely sorry for the error. I was trying to say that NS people are allowed "free speech" (I am putting that in quotes now) as well in my previous posts on the thread. I am extremely sorry for the error.
EDIT: At least this is an Internet forum. In my English class I misunderstood a story and said rape was perfectly acceptable. And then I read a story, marked it all up with a pencil and a highlighter, and apparently my conclusion that the person was a sex slave was not correct at all.
EDIT: This is a fantastic way to start at WrongPlanet: NS apologist followed by accusations of being a Stormfront member, then accusations of being a racist, now accused of twisting words to promote propaganda. All I was trying to say is we should fight hate with facts instead of more hate, because that is the best way to spread the truth and expose these people. But no, what do I do? Completely screw up what I was trying to say, go off on a tangent, and get people all mad.
EDIT: If you look in the Activism forum in the Saying No to the A Word thread, you would see that I protected a person from a comment accusing him of not having autism, which we both thought was true. Granted, you might not like the Holocaust denial reference explaining how terrible accusing a person of not having on this forum is (I think denying the Holocaust is one of the worst things a person could think and say). He was not NS. If I am an NS apologist, I am also a Jewish apologist, a Communist apologist, a Buddhist apologist, etc. I am getting railed for defending an NS person from an attack, but in reality I would do it for anyone, because that is what I believe.
If you look at the thread with the original accusation, you would see that I believe 6 million Jews and 12 million people in total were killed in cruel and terrible ways. The ones that lived were still scarred with those terrible experiences. I am EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY sorry if it came off that I said Holocaust denial is intellectually honest. You can obviously see the anti-Semitism Ernst Zundel, David Cole, David Irving etc. have in trying to "revise" the Holocaust. It is VERY embarrassing that people think I consider these men honest.
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06 Apr 2011, 5:21 am
HerrGrimm wrote:
Omerik wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I would just like to point out that on the thread where originally I got flamed a Jewish person said the same thing about the 1st Amendment and not a single word came from Jeremy about how it is really about the Terms and Agreements. He did not get called uneducated, he did not get accused of letting an NS speak freely without question, and he did not get accused of saying holocaust denial was intellectually honest.
No, I did not. And so I would appreciate it if you edit your post, because I said nothing like it.
Actually, I also didn't say that the forum should adopt the rules of the United States. I merely stated my opinion on this subject. I said I support the amendment as an idea. I didn't say the the American Constitution should be the basis for this forum. Then I probably wasn't called uneducated because I didn't say those things, nor support them in any way. And I don't know what "letting him speak freely without question" means for you, but I did comment on one statement of his, that others didn't pay attention to.
Please, if anything, I said that uneducated, stupid liars who try to spread false and evil propaganda should be free to talk, as other people should. I said that they should be answered, not ignored.
I support your right to say what you want. That doesn't mean that I respect it.
And I certainly don't respect what you did with this post.
I was accused of these things if you look back earlier in the thread, not you. That would be ridiculous if someone said it to you.
It will be edited. I have problems with reading comprehension sometimes because of my Asperger's, sometimes on a delusional level.. I am extremely sorry for the error. I was trying to say that NS people are allowed "free speech" (I am putting that in quotes now) as well in my previous posts on the thread. I am extremely sorry for the error.
EDIT: At least this is an Internet forum. In my English class I misunderstood a story and said rape was perfectly acceptable. And then I read a story, marked it all up with a pencil and a highlighter, and apparently my conclusion that the person was a sex slave was not correct at all.
EDIT: This is a fantastic way to start at WrongPlanet: NS apologist followed by accusations of being a Stormfront member, then accusations of being a racist, now accused of twisting words to promote propaganda. All I was trying to say is we should fight hate with facts instead of more hate, because that is the best way to spread the truth and expose these people. But no, what do I do? Completely screw up what I was trying to say, go off on a tangent, and get people all mad.
EDIT: If you look in the Activism forum in the Saying No to the A Word thread, you would see that I protected a person from a comment accusing him of not having autism, which we both thought was true. Granted, you might not like the Holocaust denial reference explaining how terrible accusing a person of not having on this forum is (I think denying the Holocaust is one of the worst things a person could think and say). He was not NS. If I am an NS apologist, I am also a Jewish apologist, a Communist apologist, a Buddhist apologist, etc. I am getting railed for defending an NS person from an attack, but in reality I would do it for anyone, because that is what I believe.
If you look at the thread with the original accusation, you would see that I believe 6 million Jews and 12 million people in total were killed in cruel and terrible ways. The ones that lived were still scarred with those terrible experiences. I am EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY sorry if it came off that I said Holocaust denial is intellectually honest. You can obviously see the anti-Semitism Ernst Zundel, David Cole, David Irving etc. have in trying to "revise" the Holocaust. It is VERY embarrassing that people think I consider these men honest.
I don't think that you did it on purpose now, although I thought it might be true when I first read it.
I believe you and I also had some similar experiences, I guess...
Overall I think I agree with your message and that you were probably misunderstood. Although I admit that I didn't read it all. But it sounds like people are mistakenly labeling you for something that you're not. Sorry if I did the same.
06 Apr 2011, 5:34 am
Omerik wrote:
I don't think that you did it on purpose now, although I thought it might be true when I first read it.
I believe you and I also had some similar experiences, I guess...
Overall I think I agree with your message and that you were probably misunderstood. Although I admit that I didn't read it all. But it sounds like people are mistakenly labeling you for something that you're not. Sorry if I did the same.
I believe you and I also had some similar experiences, I guess...
Overall I think I agree with your message and that you were probably misunderstood. Although I admit that I didn't read it all. But it sounds like people are mistakenly labeling you for something that you're not. Sorry if I did the same.
What happened was after I accused Jeremy of having nothing but ad hominem attacks, I stated that some things NationalSocialist said were true but I forget what they were at this time. Unfortunately that did not go over very well, and then I got accused of saying it was honest. Which was something I did not intend to do.
EDIT: Yes, I remember now. There was a statement about the number of German troops in the Western front, and he said about 5 percent. I knew the entire German army invaded Poland, so I stated this was true. I also believed the Jesse Owens story was true based on what I researched, and there was one more thing but I forget.
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06 Apr 2011, 6:03 am
HerrGrimm wrote:
Omerik wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I would just like to point out that on the thread where originally I got flamed a Jewish person said the same thing about the 1st Amendment and not a single word came from Jeremy about how it is really about the Terms and Agreements. He did not get called uneducated, he did not get accused of letting an NS speak freely without question, and he did not get accused of saying holocaust denial was intellectually honest.
No, I did not. And so I would appreciate it if you edit your post, because I said nothing like it.
Actually, I also didn't say that the forum should adopt the rules of the United States. I merely stated my opinion on this subject. I said I support the amendment as an idea. I didn't say the the American Constitution should be the basis for this forum. Then I probably wasn't called uneducated because I didn't say those things, nor support them in any way. And I don't know what "letting him speak freely without question" means for you, but I did comment on one statement of his, that others didn't pay attention to.
Please, if anything, I said that uneducated, stupid liars who try to spread false and evil propaganda should be free to talk, as other people should. I said that they should be answered, not ignored.
I support your right to say what you want. That doesn't mean that I respect it.
And I certainly don't respect what you did with this post.
I was accused of these things if you look back earlier in the thread, not you. That would be ridiculous if someone said it to you.
It will be edited. I have problems with reading comprehension sometimes because of my Asperger's, sometimes on a delusional level.. I am extremely sorry for the error. I was trying to say that NS people are allowed "free speech" (I am putting that in quotes now) as well in my previous posts on the thread. I am extremely sorry for the error.
EDIT: At least this is an Internet forum. In my English class I misunderstood a story and said rape was perfectly acceptable. And then I read a story, marked it all up with a pencil and a highlighter, and apparently my conclusion that the person was a sex slave was not correct at all.
EDIT: This is a fantastic way to start at WrongPlanet: NS apologist followed by accusations of being a Stormfront member, then accusations of being a racist, now accused of twisting words to promote propaganda. All I was trying to say is we should fight hate with facts instead of more hate, because that is the best way to spread the truth and expose these people. But no, what do I do? Completely screw up what I was trying to say, go off on a tangent, and get people all mad.
EDIT: If you look in the Activism forum in the Saying No to the A Word thread, you would see that I protected a person from a comment accusing him of not having autism, which we both thought was true. Granted, you might not like the Holocaust denial reference explaining how terrible accusing a person of not having on this forum is (I think denying the Holocaust is one of the worst things a person could think and say). He was not NS. If I am an NS apologist, I am also a Jewish apologist, a Communist apologist, a Buddhist apologist, etc. I am getting railed for defending an NS person from an attack, but in reality I would do it for anyone, because that is what I believe.
If you look at the thread with the original accusation, you would see that I believe 6 million Jews and 12 million people in total were killed in cruel and terrible ways. The ones that lived were still scarred with those terrible experiences. I am EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY sorry if it came off that I said Holocaust denial is intellectually honest. You can obviously see the anti-Semitism Ernst Zundel, David Cole, David Irving etc. have in trying to "revise" the Holocaust. It is VERY embarrassing that people think I consider these men honest.
David Cole is Jewish.
06 Apr 2011, 6:17 am
NationalSocialist wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
Omerik wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I would just like to point out that on the thread where originally I got flamed a Jewish person said the same thing about the 1st Amendment and not a single word came from Jeremy about how it is really about the Terms and Agreements. He did not get called uneducated, he did not get accused of letting an NS speak freely without question, and he did not get accused of saying holocaust denial was intellectually honest.
No, I did not. And so I would appreciate it if you edit your post, because I said nothing like it.
Actually, I also didn't say that the forum should adopt the rules of the United States. I merely stated my opinion on this subject. I said I support the amendment as an idea. I didn't say the the American Constitution should be the basis for this forum. Then I probably wasn't called uneducated because I didn't say those things, nor support them in any way. And I don't know what "letting him speak freely without question" means for you, but I did comment on one statement of his, that others didn't pay attention to.
Please, if anything, I said that uneducated, stupid liars who try to spread false and evil propaganda should be free to talk, as other people should. I said that they should be answered, not ignored.
I support your right to say what you want. That doesn't mean that I respect it.
And I certainly don't respect what you did with this post.
I was accused of these things if you look back earlier in the thread, not you. That would be ridiculous if someone said it to you.
It will be edited. I have problems with reading comprehension sometimes because of my Asperger's, sometimes on a delusional level.. I am extremely sorry for the error. I was trying to say that NS people are allowed "free speech" (I am putting that in quotes now) as well in my previous posts on the thread. I am extremely sorry for the error.
EDIT: At least this is an Internet forum. In my English class I misunderstood a story and said rape was perfectly acceptable. And then I read a story, marked it all up with a pencil and a highlighter, and apparently my conclusion that the person was a sex slave was not correct at all.
EDIT: This is a fantastic way to start at WrongPlanet: NS apologist followed by accusations of being a Stormfront member, then accusations of being a racist, now accused of twisting words to promote propaganda. All I was trying to say is we should fight hate with facts instead of more hate, because that is the best way to spread the truth and expose these people. But no, what do I do? Completely screw up what I was trying to say, go off on a tangent, and get people all mad.
EDIT: If you look in the Activism forum in the Saying No to the A Word thread, you would see that I protected a person from a comment accusing him of not having autism, which we both thought was true. Granted, you might not like the Holocaust denial reference explaining how terrible accusing a person of not having on this forum is (I think denying the Holocaust is one of the worst things a person could think and say). He was not NS. If I am an NS apologist, I am also a Jewish apologist, a Communist apologist, a Buddhist apologist, etc. I am getting railed for defending an NS person from an attack, but in reality I would do it for anyone, because that is what I believe.
If you look at the thread with the original accusation, you would see that I believe 6 million Jews and 12 million people in total were killed in cruel and terrible ways. The ones that lived were still scarred with those terrible experiences. I am EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY sorry if it came off that I said Holocaust denial is intellectually honest. You can obviously see the anti-Semitism Ernst Zundel, David Cole, David Irving etc. have in trying to "revise" the Holocaust. It is VERY embarrassing that people think I consider these men honest.
David Cole is Jewish.
and no longer a Holocaust Denier
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06 Apr 2011, 6:22 am
JakobVirgil wrote:
and no longer a Holocaust Denier
I remember his interview with Ernst Zundel and kept thinking that the entire time. I thought he said he was atheist when we went through Auschwitz for that documentary.
EDIT: I was wondering why the Nizkor Project did not have him as a major player anymore. So embarrassing. Went back to Nizkor and found documents stating such. My apologies. It even says cole.recants. That was pathetic on my part.
EDIT: He says in the documentary he is Atheist, but states his parents were both born Jewish, so he is still a Jew in his opinion. I just looked back at it.
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06 Apr 2011, 11:32 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
I know that five alarm idiot, Zundel, and I know his pal Irving (so sad such a talented historian has to give in to hate), but I haven't ever heard of this Cole guy.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
His documentary is actually in Wombat's links back on the "Did the Number of Jews..." thread. I think you just got mad and left before that based on your response there.
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06 Apr 2011, 11:40 am
HerrGrimm wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I know that five alarm idiot, Zundel, and I know his pal Irving (so sad such a talented historian has to give in to hate), but I haven't ever heard of this Cole guy.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
His documentary is actually in Wombat's links back on the "Did the Number of Jews..." thread. I think you just got mad and left before that based on your response there.
Probably.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
06 Apr 2011, 11:46 am
Omerik wrote:
I don't think that you did it on purpose now, although I thought it might be true when I first read it.
I believe you and I also had some similar experiences, I guess...
Overall I think I agree with your message and that you were probably misunderstood. Although I admit that I didn't read it all. But it sounds like people are mistakenly labeling you for something that you're not. Sorry if I did the same.
I believe you and I also had some similar experiences, I guess...
Overall I think I agree with your message and that you were probably misunderstood. Although I admit that I didn't read it all. But it sounds like people are mistakenly labeling you for something that you're not. Sorry if I did the same.
Also, the entire point of my argument is that they WANT you to get mad so you lash out against them. You do not want to make them martyrs. Look at the controversy surrounding McVeigh and the death penalty. It is hard not to kill a guy when he says children were collateral damage when the bomb went off though.
EDIT: It would make sense Zundel is a Five-Alarm idiot. Who wears a construction hat during a CNN interview? Obviously he was preparing for some disaster.
EDIT: Don't worry about it Omerik. I did not state my post clearly. The same idea I had got those things railed against me. Here it was implied that if Stormfront posted a page saying Jews were human I would believe it. That might have been one of the worst things said against me in my life. I was on the verge of tears because of the argument that happened here. I am going to keep pointing this out: I was the subject of character assassination and libel. Especially with the grave insult that was the Stormfront implication.
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07 Apr 2011, 8:35 am
HereComesTheRain wrote:
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What does that mean? That you do not like that I have to try to restore whatever reputation I have here? How would you feel if you got accused of these things? You do comprehend what the accusations were against me, right? I won't apologize if I keep saying this to try to remind people that I am not condoning this and am separating myself from this as much as possible.
Please tell me why I am a racist, because that is also false. I did not have any white friends my first year of college and have no problem with any race, creed, color, religion, or choice of sexuality at all.
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07 Apr 2011, 9:06 am
Just to clarify: Wombat IS a Nazi. Go see the thread about "Settling The Hitler Debate" for evidence of that. And I would just like to remind everyone about the time when he threatened a new holocaust against a Jewish member. Pathetic, very "I'll get you gadget, NEXT TIME.", but nevertheless there.
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst s**t like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
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07 Apr 2011, 9:10 am
Macbeth wrote:
Just to clarify: Wombat IS a Nazi. Go see the thread about "Settling The Hitler Debate" for evidence of that. And I would just like to remind everyone about the time when he threatened a new holocaust against a Jewish member. Pathetic, very "I'll get you gadget, NEXT TIME.", but nevertheless there.
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
That is understandable, but also know that many of us have been fighting against the bigotry espoused by Wombat and NationalSocialist, and they are a tiny segment of the population here. Unfortunatly, they can start a thread with their s**t, but know that we will be here to stand up to their bigotry. The only way we can get them removed from this forum is by copy & pasting their text and e-mailing it to the moderators/administrators of the site, along with an explanation on how it violates the terms of agreement s of the site.
07 Apr 2011, 10:25 am
JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Just to clarify: Wombat IS a Nazi. Go see the thread about "Settling The Hitler Debate" for evidence of that. And I would just like to remind everyone about the time when he threatened a new holocaust against a Jewish member. Pathetic, very "I'll get you gadget, NEXT TIME.", but nevertheless there.
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
That is understandable, but also know that many of us have been fighting against the bigotry espoused by Wombat and NationalSocialist, and they are a tiny segment of the population here. Unfortunatly, they can start a thread with their sh**, but know that we will be here to stand up to their bigotry. The only way we can get them removed from this forum is by copy & pasting their text and e-mailing it to the moderators/administrators of the site, along with an explanation on how it violates the terms of agreement s of the site.
Pathetic. Plenty of International Socialists here as well as Jewish supremacists, you don't seem to want to target those people in your mass cull for some reason, very strange indeed.
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07 Apr 2011, 10:28 am
NationalSocialist wrote:
JeremyNJ1984 wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Just to clarify: Wombat IS a Nazi. Go see the thread about "Settling The Hitler Debate" for evidence of that. And I would just like to remind everyone about the time when he threatened a new holocaust against a Jewish member. Pathetic, very "I'll get you gadget, NEXT TIME.", but nevertheless there.
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
Frankly I'm incredibly surprised he is even still on this forum, given the reprehensible crap he insists on peddling. Look at it this way, I run a Social Group for Autistic People, working closely with our local Health Authority, and I will certainly be recommending that people do not come anywhere near this forum whilst sh** like that is allowed to float around in it. Which is a shame, because I used to recommend it...
That is understandable, but also know that many of us have been fighting against the bigotry espoused by Wombat and NationalSocialist, and they are a tiny segment of the population here. Unfortunatly, they can start a thread with their sh**, but know that we will be here to stand up to their bigotry. The only way we can get them removed from this forum is by copy & pasting their text and e-mailing it to the moderators/administrators of the site, along with an explanation on how it violates the terms of agreement s of the site.
Pathetic. Plenty of International Socialists here as well as Jewish supremacists, you don't seem to want to target those people in your mass cull for some reason, very strange indeed.
Ohh poor you..boo hoo...cry me a river.....Yuck...." International Socialists"..." Jewish Supremacists"...sure...i have yet to see ONE thread advocating what comes from your sick mindset. Also...that is a very weak excuse...thats like a murderer asking why they didnt arrest another murderer for the same crime..how does it lessen the crime you commit? get my reasoning you schmuck?
