Does the government own your vagina?

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I don't agree on absolving parental rights so easily, but everything else (besides the circumcision thing... but that's another debate) is precisely how I feel on the subject of abortion.

I believe in prevention rather than cure .

People are always going to have sex however much you try to prevent it...or how many reasons there are not to pro create - Just look at Africa - and abortion still goes on however illegal or dangerous it might be.

So...If governments actually taught sex / relationship education properly, and in depth, and from a very young age , rather than avoiding the issue of sex/ relationships & Sexual and reproductive health like it's something dirty - there wouldn't be so many pro choice/ pro life arguments because the rate of abortion would go down I'd imagine.

Educate the vagina and you won't need to own it

I feel abortion should be legal during the first trimester, no questions asked. Most women will become aware that they are pregnant during this time, and that's when they need to decide what they are going to do about it.
After the first trimester, I think abortion should be heavily restricted. It should only be allowed if the baby (yes I think it's a baby at this point) has a serious malformation, or if the mother's life is in danger. I realize this will result in "gray areas" concerning what conditions justify allowing a termination, but I think it is still the best policy overall.
For any woman giving birth to a child that will be placed for adoption, the medical costs arising from her pregnancy should be borne by the adoption agency, which can turn around and pass the fee onto adoptive parents. There are so many desperate people wanting to adopt babies that I don't imagine there would be a problem finding folks willing to pay.
I am also in favor of more and better sexual education for teenagers. Education that covers not just the physical act (as if having sex and changing a flat tire is the same thing) but also the psychological, social, and financial consequences of an unintended pregnancy.
Finally, I would like conservative Christian churches that oppose abortion in all instances to realize that sometimes they are CAUSING women to choose abortion. They are often so condemning of unwed or teenage mothers in their communities that women would rather terminate a surprise pregnancy than be ostracized or humiliated by their "righteous" neighbors. If you want the baby to be born, support the mother rather than condemn her. We're all sinners, so get off your high horses.

Exactly all thsis talk about the government's role tends to be inconsistent. Good point about taxpayer money going into abortion. Abortion isn't murder though, murder is a premeditated killing with malicious intent so let's not twist that meaning.

Murder is the killing of a human person. Abortion is not. Fetuses are NOT persons although they are human (i.e. they are living things with a human genome).

ruveyn

A scraped piece of skin does not have a brain, furthermore the outer layer of your skin consists of dead and dying cells. The child in the womb is very much alive, unlike the skin scrapings.

The Government claims to own our asses ever April 15.

ruveyn

It wouldve been worse.
We all know that he originally intended the title to be "Do you want government IN your vagina?".

Fortunetly he revised it a few times before posting it.

Now that Ive said it lets NOT use this thread to discuss if "the size of government matters?"

Republicans argue that it's not the size that counts but how you use it.

Vestigal vaginas topic

I can have a baby and be pregnant without a vagina, though I do need a uterus, but I can see your point.

In Canada governments stay out of vaginas and uteri. We have Pierre Trudeau to thank for that.

If I decide to abort, I will not be making it public. No one will ever know.

As it happens, my pregnant days are long gone. I have three children that I chose to have, and never considered discussing it, until now (in the three plus years I have been posting here on WP).

What special experiental feelings does a second or third trimester Fetus have that a one week old Hamster doesn't?

Yeah, that was more an issue of style points versus accuracy. "Lay your hands off my uterus" is old hat and doesn't have the same grabbing power as vagina does...and I think everyone can admit that vagina has some world-shifting power.

You are mistaking experience for personhood. The fact someone whom is born blind will never know what the color green looks like, doesn't make them any less of a person. The child in the womb lacks experience, that does not mean they are not a person.

The thing of it is a lot of pro-abortion people try to deny the fact that the child is a person because they can't win the argument unless they dehumanize the child.

The issue isn't reliant on such subjective concepts as "personhood".
Master Pedant is a full person, and as much as I like him, my autonomical rights dictate that he doesn't have the "right" to live attached to one of my kidneys, beyond that which I grant him.

Furthermore, in some ethical schools, the HAMSTER, brought up to demonstrate the silly inconsistencies in granting rights to the fetus on the basis of feelings, DOES, by the existence of those feelings possess moral personhood.

The fetus is biologically alive, and genetically human.
In the vast majority of cases, it is utterly un-sentient in any way,
but if the opposite were true,
it would not negate individual ownership of their person.

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And plus that, the bible says life begins at birth....or, more specifically, when the newborn takes its first breath...so quit taking the word of crazy people that are making s**t up and claiming it came from your god when your own holy book says something different.

The irony of referencing a book commanding genocide and infanticide for justification of state and societal-controlled reproduction is quite humorous.