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22 Jul 2011, 10:27 am

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YjrkBYDDQM[/youtube]
Are Australian cigarettes lacked with meth?


She should have known that this would happen, and got what she deserved.
Well she clearly got more than what she bargained for 8O

btw I meant laced not lacked. Their cigarettes clearly aren't lacking in meth.



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22 Jul 2011, 10:35 am

Smoke does get in your ears, too! topic

Panda, I think that woman in Australia smoked for many years and really did not know how much cancer would devastate her. I actually quit for financial reasons. :P Few were quitting when I did, and there were no graphic ads that i can recall. I knew that smoking caused cancer via the US ads when I was a kid but no one in my family ever died from a smoking related illness. Many of them smoked and died of heart disease possibly through a diet high in fat, salt and inactivity but i also know of a relative who was a vegan, physically active and was never around smoke and yet died of brain cancer. I do not think people who get cancer get what they deserve but they should be made aware now of the damage smoking causes through testimonials as you have provided, and like the Australian woman, implore people not to smoke or quit as soon as possible.


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22 Jul 2011, 11:09 am

Of course some people who don't smoke do get cancer and other diseases. And, some people who smoke actually don't end up getting a smoking-related disease. Just as there were some people who survived the black plague, or we wouldn't by typing here today.

Still, there isn't any good to be had by smoking cigarettes. Only bad things happen.

Just as there isn't anything good to be had by going out and deliberately exposing yourself to the black plague.



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22 Jul 2011, 11:25 am

nor is it good to overeat.
overconsume beyond capacity.
think of the money wasted on entertainment alone.

many of those bring nothing but the joy people feel when doing them and the enrichment of those involved, are all those bad as well?
can we really start to define bad and good purely on health risks?
what of the mental dammage done by so many idiotic ideologies?

there is so much of so much more consequence than smoking if it truly is the wellbeing of others you are concerned about how about doing some of that instead?

but that isnt what this is about in the end.


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22 Jul 2011, 1:16 pm

Eating is good, in moderation. One cannot live without eating.

One can live without smoking. Smoking is stupid and unhealthy on all levels. Breathing in cigarette fumes doesn't do anyone any good at all. It certainly doesn't bring anyone joy or ecstasy.



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22 Jul 2011, 1:20 pm

pandabear wrote:
Eating is good, in moderation. One cannot live without eating.

One can live without smoking. Smoking is stupid and unhealthy on all levels. Breathing in cigarette fumes doesn't do anyone any good at all. It certainly doesn't bring anyone joy or ecstasy.


i think you missed the entire point,
another thing is you know nothing of why people smoke and as such know nothing of what it brings, sure some might smoke and hate it but most simply look at risk differently than you do.

we all take risks every day, many can be avoided completely but only by sacrificing things we want, so we make compromises.


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22 Jul 2011, 1:52 pm

Okay. Why would anyone who wasn't a raving lunatic actually want to smoke?



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22 Jul 2011, 2:25 pm

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Okay. Why would anyone who wasn't a raving lunatic actually want to smoke?


Why would anyone who has seen ten exemplars and is not a blithering take any words from your pseudothumbed paw as of serious import?

Those who in spite of all find that a reasonable question may start here [or may not]:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... moke/4766/



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22 Jul 2011, 3:16 pm

Philologos wrote:
pandabear wrote:
Okay. Why would anyone who wasn't a raving lunatic actually want to smoke?


Why would anyone who has seen ten exemplars and is not a blithering take any words from your pseudothumbed paw as of serious import?

Those who in spite of all find that a reasonable question may start here [or may not]:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... moke/4766/


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A great many investigators have discussed the reasons for starting to smoke. However, no common agreement has been reached. For the most part, the various explanations fall into the psychological realm. They range from such motivating factors as the desire to appear more grown-up or the wish for adult status, adolescent rebelliousness, striving for proper group status, reduction of tension, novel experience, curiosity, peer orientation, personality inferiority, imitative-sociability element, all the way to the suggestion of a "phallic significance of the cigarette, cigar, and pipe."


None of these are legitimate reasons to smoke.



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22 Jul 2011, 3:21 pm

oh almighty panda would you like to argue beyond common repetitions for that judgement?


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22 Jul 2011, 3:23 pm

No-one has yet proposed a legitimate reason to smoke.



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22 Jul 2011, 3:27 pm

pandabear wrote:
No-one has yet proposed a legitimate reason to smoke.


Pleasure. There is not like a good Havana cigar with a brandy after a well prepared supper.

It does not get much better than that.

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22 Jul 2011, 3:32 pm

Pleasure? I would no sooner stick a cigarette in my mouth than burn out my eyeballs with hot coals.



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22 Jul 2011, 3:33 pm

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Pleasure? I would no sooner stick a cigarette in my mouth than burn out my eyeballs with hot coals.


There are also pipes and cigars.

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22 Jul 2011, 3:44 pm

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22 Jul 2011, 4:53 pm

It should be obvious by now that a certain individaul is flame baiting, as usual. :roll: