What is the Difference between Anarchists and Libertarians?

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14 Mar 2012, 1:27 am

First pic refers to?



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14 Mar 2012, 1:35 am

slave wrote:
First pic refers to?


Otpor. The Serbian youth movement that took down Slobodan Milosevic.



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14 Mar 2012, 2:04 am

Milosevic was more than 10 years ago, surely. (Not that I disagree with what you said.)



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14 Mar 2012, 2:14 am

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Milosevic was more than 10 years ago, surely. (Not that I disagree with what you said.)


Good call. 11 years.



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14 Mar 2012, 2:17 pm

What is the Difference between Anarchists and Libertarians?

Anarchists will relieve themselves on your property, then they will leave.

Libertarians will relieve themselves on your property, then they will demand payment for what they consider a valuable service to the property.

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15 Mar 2012, 12:17 am

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Let us take the last 300 years as a test of your statement.

How many times have young people, who embrace ideas of freedom, joined together to overthrow their Masters? Answer: hundreds

How many times did they succeed? Answer: 0, nada, zilch, goose egg.

Tell me why will this time be different?


Let us take the last 10 years as a test of yours.

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They overthrew a war criminal.
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They ended a financial crisis.
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They changed the Arab world.


Serbia: Are they free under those who replaced him? “There isn’t enough political will and readiness in the country to fight corruption. So far, the results are disappointing as the laws are improperly implemented, institutions are weak, and enforcement mechanisms almost non-existent,” Vladimir Goati, the head of Transparency Serbia told SETimes.(Dec 2011) They don't sound free to me.

Iceland: The politician who led them into the economic crisis IS STILL IN power. Their currency is so f**ked that they are arranging talks hoping to adopt the Canadian Dollar. This would means that the BofC would dictate their monetary policy.

MENA: Whether it's Libya, Tunisia or Egypt they have merely exchanged one ruler for another. Permit me one example. In Egypt they had one man(Mubarak) ruling them using a military, and now they have a different man ruling them using the EXACT SAME military.

All efforts to overthrow the Masters have failed. Any future attempts will also fail. Wasn't there something about an Occupy Movement going to bring down the 1%....how is that working out?



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15 Mar 2012, 4:00 am

The picture is Egypt.

Well there was that Russian Revolution thing. And France, three times. And Haïti. And the fall of the Iron Curtain. And the Chinese revolution of 1911. And all of Africa except Ethiopia. And South East Asia except Thailand. And arguably all South America but Brasil. And the United States. And Belgium (1830). I mean, you can argue around that they didn't work by playing with the definition, but they all changed something, for good or ill, and they were all popular movements in one way or the other.

I wouldn't overestimate the power of protests, but saying History proves them wrong is untrue. Yes, taking down one Master generally brings another, but it does not mean it failed in the first place. Also, yes, our silly protests marches are, well, silly, and don't achieve anything, but that could be because they are entirely legal, well organized and tame, unlike what once was.

And the Occupy Movement is nonsense for many other reasons, the first being that they don't do anything in the first place. I don't know why anyone would want to stop them. It's like trying to win a boxing match by staring at you opponent.



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16 Mar 2012, 7:11 pm

Neither group is right :lol:



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17 Mar 2012, 2:19 am

Libertarians belice in a police force and army and a goverment to run them and enforce contracts nothing more



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17 Mar 2012, 3:21 am

munch15a wrote:
Libertarians belice in a police force and army and a goverment to run them and enforce contracts nothing more


Also to deter and punish bad acts, such as the initiation of force. Basically the government has to deal with people who keep other people awake at night and who scare the horses.

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18 Mar 2012, 11:34 am

Tadzio wrote:
What is the Difference between Anarchists and Libertarians?

Anarchists will relieve themselves on your property, then they will leave.

Libertarians will relieve themselves on your property, then they will demand payment for what they consider a valuable service to the property.

Tadzio


I believe you owe me $5



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20 Mar 2012, 1:15 am

scubasteve wrote:
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If you earned it through honest work, it is rightfully yours


No, it doesn't work like that. If person B steals an object from person A, and the person B gives it to person C in exchange for work, then a crime has taken place. It doesn't matter that person C didn't know about it.


What object? Both of our previous quotes were talking about money.

If Bob robs Peter to pay Paul, would Paul be compelled to repay Peter? I think not. Bob is the criminal. Paul did nothing wrong.


Didn't some judge just tell Paul to give the money to Peter over "their all" mutual transactions involving some Bernie?

scubasteve wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
What is the Difference between Anarchists and Libertarians?

Anarchists will relieve themselves on your property, then they will leave.

Libertarians will relieve themselves on your property, then they will demand payment for what they consider a valuable service to the property.

Tadzio


I believe you owe me $5


But!! !, ruveyn may have already moved for first dibs!! ! Still, before the calls for any payment, I called hazardous waste management services for info, and with perhaps help from EPA's notice of rights after exhaustion of administrative remedies, I'll not only get my share of SEC Golden wealth back from Peter & Paul, but also, PLUS, the actualization in rewards for damages comorbid with trespass and the actualizations of the various self-identified toxic reliefs of civilly plausible Libertarians.

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20 Mar 2012, 6:19 am

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Yes, because Western governments are known for their extensive use of the police state...


And what do eastern governments like the People's Republic of China or the government of North Korea or the Saudi Arabian government use?

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