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28 Jan 2007, 6:26 pm

Neither. I am a Socialist Technocrat.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:28 pm

ahayes wrote:

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Without the womb an embryo can never become sentient. This requires the services of another being.

Your argument rests on the fact a an embryo can grow on it's own. Which is a logic fallacy because it requires a host.

These cells haven't been programmed yet!

Without intervention from the host it never grows.

Besides, it's cheaper for society to treat someone once then to maintain for the rest of their lives.

Those cells originated IN the host.

The host has the right to remove them.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:32 pm

Flagg wrote:

ahayes wrote:

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Those cells originated IN the host.

The host has the right to remove them.

Only by legal standards.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:33 pm

ahayes wrote:

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Those cells originated IN the host.

The host has the right to remove them.

Morals are completely subjective.

There is no such thing as concrete "Good" and "Evil".

They merely terms used by fools to talk about what they like and dislike.
Only by legal standards.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:38 pm

Flagg wrote:

ahayes wrote:

Flagg wrote:

ahayes wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Those cells originated IN the host.

The host has the right to remove them.

Morals are completely subjective.

There is no such thing as concrete "Good" and "Evil".

They merely terms used by fools to talk about what they like and dislike.
Only by legal standards.

Yes there are!! !

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I’ve emjoyed [sic] some of your columns but this is the second time I heard [sic] use the term “illegitimate” baby. As a single mother, I think that is insulting. Each person has a right to choose her own morality. Please respect others.

Kathy

Kathy, what would you say if I told you that you could avoid having more illegitimate babies by having sex with animals?

Mike Adams

I would sy [sic] you are sick. What is your point?

Kathy

My point is that we agree on something. Bestiality is immoral. Do you think that it will become moral once Kathy and Mike are dead? I hope you will give me a direct answer.

Mike Adams

No, it won’t suddenly become moral when we die. That is a stupid thing to say.

Kathy

Thank you for admitting that some truths are transcendent and timeless. That means they are not contingent on our feelings and subjective choices. Please, do not teach your child that “each person has a right to choose her own morality.” I don’t believe that. And neither do you.

Mike Adams

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28 Jan 2007, 6:44 pm

Nobody gets hurt in Zoophilla.

Whats the problem?

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28 Jan 2007, 6:46 pm

My beliefs on stem cell/embryo research and biotechnology are that the embryo is unaware, unthinking, and of no significance until it develops into several tissues, and actually starts to form a living organism, with several tissues. Whilst it still consists of a small amount of cells which feel absolutely nothing, and of no resemblance to a vertabrate life form, no harm will be done if it is used for medical research and then destroyed.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:47 pm

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That's pretty much my view.

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28 Jan 2007, 6:48 pm

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He didn't prove that she believes that some moralities are timeless. All he proved is that she believed that the death of them wouldn't make something they believe is immoral moral. Even if it was valid, he used a strawman to prove his point.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:18 pm

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But he was never attemtpting to prove that "some moralities are timeless". He proved that there are absolutes by providing an example.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:20 pm

Flagg wrote:

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That's pretty much my view.

So... if I went back in time and destroyed your embryo, that would be okay? After all, at that time you are unaware, unthinking and of no significance according to your views.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:26 pm

ahayes wrote:

But he was never attemtpting to prove that "some moralities are timeless". He proved that there are absolutes by providing an example.

Then why did he say this:

mike wrote:

Thank you for admitting that some truths are transcendent and timeless.

He didn't prove it was an absolute either.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:29 pm

ahayes wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Anubis wrote:

That's pretty much my view.

So... if I went back in time and destroyed your embryo, that would be okay? After all, at that time you are unaware, unthinking and of no significance according to your views.

Probably so if his mother was willing. It would be like going back in time and interrupting your parents having sex.

But using this example is irrelevant because it conflicts with other morality issues concerning altering the previous states of time.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:47 pm

headphase wrote:

ahayes wrote:

Flagg wrote:

Anubis wrote:

That's pretty much my view.

So... if I went back in time and destroyed your embryo, that would be okay? After all, at that time you are unaware, unthinking and of no significance according to your views.

So, if somebody went back in time to do this and it was okay with your mother, you wouldn't mind at all?

Explain EXACTLY how the example is made irrelevant, with every little detail.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:50 pm

headphase wrote:

ahayes wrote:

But he was never attemtpting to prove that "some moralities are timeless". He proved that there are absolutes by providing an example.

Then why did he say this:

mike wrote:

Thank you for admitting that some truths are transcendent and timeless.

He didn't prove it was an absolute either.

He proved that there is nothing to modify her view that beastiality is wrong.

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28 Jan 2007, 7:51 pm

I'm a centrist, sort of.

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