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28 Jul 2012, 1:37 am

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I'm Pro-Israeli. I'm in favor of nuking all backward Middle-Eastern countries (joke). I used to be pro-Palestinian. I'm tired of Islam and primitive people.

Try mentally replacing "primitive people" with "unfortunate people".

If the world doesn't treat them as real people with the same rights as anyone else, the "primitive people" will resent it and become even more tribal. They are people first. As people, they have the right to defend themselves from the illegal Israeli occupation.

That's kind of hard when they've never been anything but tribal. They are people, and if Israel absorbed them, they would live in a society where its newspapers routinely criticize the government, a society where gays can serve in the military, and where they championed womens rights long before the rest of the world jumped on board, where the judicial system is actively pursuing social justice. I don't respect a group because of their peoplehood... they need secularization, liberalization, its not enough to be modern when your values are so primitive.

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28 Jul 2012, 2:19 am

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That's kind of hard when they've never been anything but tribal.

We used to have never been anything but tribal. It wasn't so long ago. We got better.

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if Israel absorbed them

Resentment is a powerful force. Nobody wants to be forced to follow the advice of people who are attacking them. The irony is that by being a relatively liberal state, the only thing that Israel is achieving is to associate liberalism with imperialism in the minds of Arabs.

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28 Jul 2012, 2:20 am

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Funny how you call us extremists, terrorists, crackpots, yet all we want is for you to leave us alone..

The problem is that some radical libertarians (sovereign citizens, freemen, "patriots," etc.) do a lot more than ask to be left alone. They commit acts of domestic terrorism.

Radical libertarianism can be a dangerous ideology.

Freemen - - those were the jackasses in Montana! For some reason, I had had a brain fart and couldn't recall what they had called themselves.

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28 Jul 2012, 2:29 am

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Funny how government advocates force guns to people's heads and tell them what to do. Funny how you call us extremists, terrorists, crackpots, yet all we want is for you to leave us alone. How many innocent people die from cops every year? How many people has government killed? Too many. Big government advocates benefit from their own ideology at the expense of others.

Did you just seriously compare militarized gun cults to the police in an effort to defend aforementioned cults?

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28 Jul 2012, 2:43 am

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Freemen - - those were the jackasses in Montana! For some reason, I had had a brain fart and couldn't recall what they had called themselves.

Yep, the American Northwest has several groups like that. Some of them are in the Christianity Identity movement.

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28 Jul 2012, 5:11 am

nominalist wrote:

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Freemen - - those were the jackasses in Montana! For some reason, I had had a brain fart and couldn't recall what they had called themselves.

Yep, the American Northwest has several groups like that. Some of them are in the Christianity Identity movement.

Yes - the Aryan Nations over in Hayden Lake, Idaho, were not many miles away across the state line from the Spokane area, where I live. Luckily, after they had lost a law suit where they had shot up the passing car, nearly killing the mother and son inside, they have since relocated to Pennsylvania.
I feel sorry for Pennsylvania.

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28 Jul 2012, 8:45 am

i support israel. the shopping is better there, and i would also think parking spots would be easier to find.

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28 Jul 2012, 9:04 am

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i support israel. the shopping is better there, and i would also think parking spots would be easier to find.

In 1787, the shopping was better in Britain than it was in Australia. Does that mean that you would have supported the near-destruction of the indigenous Australians?

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28 Jul 2012, 9:10 am

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28 Jul 2012, 9:11 am

Declension wrote:

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i support israel. the shopping is better there, and i would also think parking spots would be easier to find.

In 1787, the shopping was better in Britain than it was in Australia. Does that mean that you would have supported the near-destruction of the indigenous Australians?

i was "joking". sorry to waste your wits energy.

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28 Jul 2012, 9:14 am

As someone who lives in Tel Aviv - no, we don't have parking spots.

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28 Jul 2012, 9:17 am

b9 wrote:

Declension wrote:

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i support israel. the shopping is better there, and i would also think parking spots would be easier to find.

In 1787, the shopping was better in Britain than it was in Australia. Does that mean that you would have supported the near-destruction of the indigenous Australians?

i was "joking". sorry to waste your wits energy.

Your joke sounds very similar to things people have seriously said in this thread, so maybe it wasn't such a waste.

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28 Jul 2012, 9:20 am

Declension wrote:

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Declension wrote:

b9 wrote:

i support israel. the shopping is better there, and i would also think parking spots would be easier to find.

In 1787, the shopping was better in Britain than it was in Australia. Does that mean that you would have supported the near-destruction of the indigenous Australians?

i was "joking". sorry to waste your wits energy.

Your joke sounds very similar to things people have seriously said in this thread, so maybe it wasn't such a waste.

i did not read any previous posts. it was a waste of your wits with consideration to the fact that i was not serious. anyway i am going to bed and so the matter is closed.
thanks for your reply.

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28 Jul 2012, 10:01 am

Pro-Israel here.

They should work on integrating the Palestinians into Israeli society, but the Palestinians have to do some work on their part as well. And Hamas and Hezbollah have to lay down their arms (although I feel that the situation in Syria is taking a toll on both groups).

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28 Jul 2012, 10:02 am

Bun wrote:

As someone who lives in Tel Aviv - no, we don't have parking spots.

Jeez, where do people park?

I've heard Tel Aviv is a very nice city.

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28 Jul 2012, 10:04 am

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How do you integrate people determined to destroy the Jewish presence in that area, into Israeli society?

The Palestinians desire no modus vivendi with the Israelis whatsoever. The Palestinians want the Jews dead or gone.

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