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03 Jul 2012, 9:53 pm

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isnt it hurt feelings actually causing the murders and violence that does happen around the world?

not that that is in any way justified, i agree with you on that.


THe world is a awful place. Instead of blaming politics religion or even atheistsic belifes we should all try to get along with each other. Since we all live on the same planet.



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03 Jul 2012, 9:54 pm

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Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.


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Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.


That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.


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That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate.

That wasn't a challenge but a simple statement that still stands.

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So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.

I don't see them attacking or killing anyone. Causing hurt feelings isn't worthy of being called hate but, hey, to each his own.........


Not to mention that only a very small minority of "conservatives" participate in anything like that.



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03 Jul 2012, 9:56 pm

Raptor wrote:
Raptor wrote:
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Joker wrote:
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Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.


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Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.


That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.


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That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate.

That wasn't a challenge but a simple statement that still stands.

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So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.

I don't see them attacking or killing anyone. Causing hurt feelings isn't worthy of being called hate but, hey, to each his own.........


Not to mention that only a very small minority of "conservatives" participate in anything like that.


And Fox News condenmeans those actions plus their are conservatives that support same sex marriage that the liberals never talk about.



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03 Jul 2012, 9:57 pm

Oodain wrote:
isnt it hurt feelings actually causing the murders and violence that does happen around the world?

not that that is in any way justified, i agree with you on that.


True, but there's hurt feelings and acting on hurt feelings which are two different things.
There will always be hurt feelings so why let them alone get you down?



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03 Jul 2012, 9:59 pm

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Oodain wrote:
isnt it hurt feelings actually causing the murders and violence that does happen around the world?

not that that is in any way justified, i agree with you on that.


True, but there's hurt feelings and acting on hurt feelings which are two different things.
There will always be hurt feelings so why let them alone get you down?


Becaue people tend to let their emotions. Have too much control over themselfs.



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03 Jul 2012, 10:01 pm

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Um yes we do but I don't hate gays don't agree with those things. Their for I am not one of those people. The common mistake your side makes is that you all think. We agree on the same thing just because our Book says. Things like man on man sex is immoral ect. Try again when you have something relevant to post.


Yeah but most of the new right is united by one common thing, they all have issues with one or more of a list of marginilized groups that are different from them, and perceived to be weaker in society so make good scapegoats. Gays, the poor, women, ethnic minorities, etc. You get to pick and choose which scapegoats, it seems, you don't have to do the full list, but that seems to be the deal. Basically looks like a kiss-up, kick-down philosophy.



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03 Jul 2012, 10:04 pm

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Um yes we do but I don't hate gays don't agree with those things. Their for I am not one of those people. The common mistake your side makes is that you all think. We agree on the same thing just because our Book says. Things like man on man sex is immoral ect. Try again when you have something relevant to post.


Yeah but most of the new right is united by one common thing, they all have issues with one or more of a list of marginilized groups that are different from them. Gays, the poor, women, ethnic minorities, etc. You get to pick and choose what you hate on, it seems, you don't have to do the full list, but that seems to be the deal.


That is a very common fundie thing. To do you will not see poliitical indepenents behaving in such a way. I never talk with those people I shun them. Plus their is a LGBT Christian group at my church.



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03 Jul 2012, 10:49 pm

I think most conservatives want to be rich.



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03 Jul 2012, 10:51 pm

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I think most conservatives want to be rich.


I think most Liberals want to tax only the rich :wink:



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03 Jul 2012, 10:56 pm

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I think most conservatives want to be rich.


Most liberals I've met romanticize being poor but want to be supported by others so that they aren't actually poor. They claim it is a moral imperative to support the poor and it just so happens that they are poor (in their mind).



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03 Jul 2012, 10:59 pm

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I think most conservatives want to be rich.


Most liberals I've met romanticize being poor but want to be supported by others so that they aren't actually poor. They claim it is a moral imperative to support the poor and it just so happens that they are poor (in their mind).


QFT.



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03 Jul 2012, 11:01 pm

OP: What forums are you seeing this on? Seems very unlike...well.....WP.


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03 Jul 2012, 11:05 pm

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My solution to the healthcare debate would be: Wait until we're no longer $20 trillion down the crapper, then implement whatever the hell you want.


Good idea I like the soud of that.
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Average annual employer sponsored health care premiums for a family in the US doubled from 1998 to the year 2009, to about $12,000 per year, before the health care reform act went into effect. At that point in time they were projected to increase to over $24,000 in the year 2020. The current average for premiums for a family plan is close to $14,000, so the country is still marching steadily toward that 24K+ average in 2020.


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03 Jul 2012, 11:08 pm

Riches are an illusion . You cant take money with you when you die.



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03 Jul 2012, 11:09 pm

noname_ever wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I think most conservatives want to be rich.


Most liberals I've met romanticize being poor but want to be supported by others so that they aren't actually poor. They claim it is a moral imperative to support the poor and it just so happens that they are poor (in their mind).


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A part of the bourgeoisie is desirous of redressing social grievances in order to secure the continued existence of bourgeois society.

To this section belong economists, philanthropists, humanitarians, improvers of the condition of the working class, organisers of charity, members of societies for the prevention of cruelty to animals, temperance fanatics, hole-and-corner reformers of every imaginable kind. This form of socialism has, moreover, been worked out into complete systems.

We may cite Proudhon’s Philosophie de la Misère as an example of this form.

The Socialistic bourgeois want all the advantages of modern social conditions without the struggles and dangers necessarily resulting therefrom. They desire the existing state of society, minus its revolutionary and disintegrating elements. They wish for a bourgeoisie without a proletariat. The bourgeoisie naturally conceives the world in which it is supreme to be the best; and bourgeois Socialism develops this comfortable conception into various more or less complete systems. In requiring the proletariat to carry out such a system, and thereby to march straightway into the social New Jerusalem, it but requires in reality, that the proletariat should remain within the bounds of existing society, but should cast away all its hateful ideas concerning the bourgeoisie.

A second, and more practical, but less systematic, form of this Socialism sought to depreciate every revolutionary movement in the eyes of the working class by showing that no mere political reform, but only a change in the material conditions of existence, in economical relations, could be of any advantage to them. By changes in the material conditions of existence, this form of Socialism, however, by no means understands abolition of the bourgeois relations of production, an abolition that can be affected only by a revolution, but administrative reforms, based on the continued existence of these relations; reforms, therefore, that in no respect affect the relations between capital and labour, but, at the best, lessen the cost, and simplify the administrative work, of bourgeois government.

Bourgeois Socialism attains adequate expression when, and only when, it becomes a mere figure of speech.

Free trade: for the benefit of the working class. Protective duties: for the benefit of the working class. Prison Reform: for the benefit of the working class. This is the last word and the only seriously meant word of bourgeois socialism.

It is summed up in the phrase: the bourgeois is a bourgeois — for the benefit of the working class.


I don't know if I agree with his conclusions here or not, but it's an interesting observation.



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03 Jul 2012, 11:14 pm

Joker wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.


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Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.


That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.


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That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate.

That wasn't a challenge but a simple statement that still stands.

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So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.

I don't see them attacking or killing anyone. Causing hurt feelings isn't worthy of being called hate but, hey, to each his own.........


Not to mention that only a very small minority of "conservatives" participate in anything like that.


And Fox News condenmeans those actions plus their are conservatives that support same sex marriage that the liberals never talk about.


And what's weird is that the WBC people are actually Democrats (no joke!)


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