14 dead and 50 injured in mass shooting in Colorado.

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Look up DC v. Heller and also Warren v. DC. Four years ago the 2nd amendment was ruled an individual right (and still relevant), and the police have no obligation to protect you as an individual.

And you're a lot better than them...

Anyone who disagrees with you is an irrational being and should have their rights taken away or be killed if they resist.

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Now maybe it's you who is the irrational one:

There's no "conspiracy" to take away guns, but the Obama administration did allow, through the Fast and Furious program, guns to be sold to Mexican drug cartels. Later:

"June-July 2011: House Democrats submit gun-control legislation, and [b]e-mails surface showing that Fast and Furious was designed to promote gun control."

Source: Operation Fast and Furious Timeline

God given right to bear arms? No, Constitutionally protected right to bear arms:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

US Constitution, Amendment 2

I'm sorry, but the US has 88.8 guns per 100 people. If you think that 88.8 out of every 100 people are mass killing maniacs, you are truly a fool.

Guns Per Capita

You know what's also against the law? Murder. I'm pretty sure a guy who killed about 12 people and left 60 more injured does not give a damn about the laws regarding gun purchases. If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns, as they buy them on the black market, while law-abiding citizens are left defenseless.

NO WAY could an armed civilian stopped this guy. He wore a bullet proof vest. He was prepared. Maybe he wore the vest so no one could shoot him in theater and he could max out on number of casualties and he planned to take his own life later. So the answer would not be to send in all the armed civilians one can muster. That could very well result in even more casualties in the form of accidental shootings and loss of business at movie theaters across the board.

When will the media focus on the impact of violent culture as a determining factor in deadly shooting rampages and not whether the person is a loner? All these people who go on these shootings obsess on guns, are fascinated by violent culture and are often part of violent culture centered cliques. These are just facts. These people are NOT loners.

Bullets don't magically bounce off of a vest. Even a burst of pistol fire to center-mass would throw off the killer's OODA loop to allow for the armed civilian to move in to kill him with a burst to the face.

John Browning, the guy is a PhD candidate ffs, he had it planned out. Don't you think he would make sure he had a damned good vest on, the best he could afford. The guy is a smart dude and calculating. He had all his basis covered, even a gas mask to protect him from the smoke he unleashed on the crowd. He was not going to be easy to take out. The cops did it only because he was completely out of bullets, I bet, and he was too afraid of getting shot by them.

Just admit this is one case a concealed weapon would not have harmed James Holmes and it might have even hurt an innocent civilian in the theater.

Bullets don't magically bounce off of a vest. Even a burst of pistol fire to center-mass would throw off the killer's OODA loop to allow for the armed civilian to move in to kill him with a burst to the face.

The vest was described as a flak jacket, which is different, either way running or hiding sure wasn't a practical means of defense. If I was there and packing I would have preferred to try and at least drive him back if I couldn't get a clear shot at him. Running like a stampede of cattle trying to get through the door all at once with their back to the shooter, otherwise known as a 'choke point', was probably part of his plan and a damn efficient tactic to achieve his goals.

I'll admit that defending against an armored adversary in a crowded theater is probably one of the worst scenarios you could realistically come across, but acting on animal instinct and finding yourself caught in a crowd huddled together in a concentrated (efficient use of ammo) crowd is far less appealing than standing your ground and exchanging fire with the attacker. If nothing else, you at least go out dignified and respected.