Why use guns for killing

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I agree, biological warfare plus nanotechnology means game over

Standards vary by state. At a minimum someone has to attack you, and in other places things like brandishing a weapon may be justification. The criteria is you have to show cause to fear for your life, severe bodily harm, or for the defense of another's life. There are standards of what is grounds for that defense, but that won't fit in this post.

No. I want this predators disarmed and under locks. But I don't fear them. I don't fear career criminals. I am worried about common Joe, who gets gun because he needs to compensate something. And after he gets fired, pissed of or bored he shoots few people. This are totally unnecessary deaths. Without gun, he would beat her wife and get drunk.

Are there any studies/statistics about civil gun defence cases? How many of them are there annually? In comparison with crimes made by Joes with guns?

I don't have the links available right now but it works out to about 1.5 milion times a year people use guns for self defense, with shots not being fired in the overwhelming majority of cases. I don't think that includes animals either.

The notion of "compensating for something" is a myth. There's a few of those in a lot of hobbies and jobs and things, but the average gun owner has a fairly average, mundane life and doesn't have an issue with it.

I think a lot of people advocating gun prohibition, confiscation or stricter legislation in general have never been put in a situation where their life has been at risk or they felt their life was at risk at the hands of others. That opinion of mine covers most of the recent gun threads I've seen pop up here since. It's kind of funny how no one particularly cared about it in here for some time before that shooting.

John_Browning - try to find it if you have more time, thanks

aSKperger wrote:

We have people, to use the term loosely, in our prisons including death row that have done things to other people that would make you piss your pants to hear about. A lot of the same kind that are not incarcerated, yet, out doing the same or about to and you have more of an issue with me or the other legally armed “Joes”.
And if that wasn’t enough:

A lot I could say here but I can sum it up by stating that you have some serious paranoia issues and a poor grip (if any) on reality, period.


If there was no actual shooting that took place there’s a 50/50 chance there was no arrest made and in some cases the incident was never reported.


JanuaryMan wrote:

Yes, a close call does serve as a wake-up call to the anti’s.
It comes right after they realize that there are wolves in society and they have a close encounter with one and realize that there was no one to help them. Like a cold bucket of water on a sleeping person it quickly wakes them up and all the kum-baya BS goes out the window.
I’ve known it to happen and sometimes I’m the one they ask what kind of gun to get, where to go shooting, and how to get a CCW. There whole change in attitude is astonishing.



There have been what I call gunz-r-bad threads on and off the whole five years I’ve been on WP. This time there have been several because of that shooting in Aurora a few weeks ago.
It’s always the same with each thread: Common sense vs. emotion, what is vs. what should be, reality vs. fantasy, etc.
I’ve never seen the anti’s bring anything to the table that couldn’t be effortlessly dissected but, bless their hearts, they keep trying.

Scottinoz wrote:

If you haven't seen it yet check out the DVD Contagion.
Not so much for the disease itself or the cause but the devastating effect on society.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sYSyuuLk5g[/youtube]

Raptor - Yes I have paranoia and you have guns, because you are afraid of something

Being afraid of some things is normal because there are some things to be feared.
Paranoia, which you admitted to, is not normal.

par·a·noi·a/ˌparəˈnoiə/
Noun:
1. A mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically worked...
2. Suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

Well, I think that pretty much wraps it up....

Guns can be used at long distances compared, to knives, clubs, spears, swords.

ruveyn

Exactly!
If they pull a knife we can shoot them before they are in stabbing and slashing distance.

Lesson: Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

Well, guns are used for killing since there are way cheaper than bombs, chemicals or such.

Notice I don't approve solving problems by any means of violence, and that we should put an end to the production of heavy caliber, bombs and such. We should promote free (as in free of charge and free of corporate influence) education worldwide : this will solve a good deal of criminality, and needless to say, there will be less of a need for guns and police.
In fact, we should put an end to envy since crimes are linked to envy : people want money, objects, sexual possession etc. If we get rid of capitalism, we could get read of envy, and could get rid of corporation's lobbyists that only care about money and not the welfare of its own kin by selling firearms, stale medicine, and intellectual property.

An as*hole who shows you his knife before an attack is the easiest one. Simply because you can run away.
Any slightly intelligent attacker would wait until you walk by him, pull knife behind your back, gently raise it to your kidney and whisper in your ear something about nice wallet you have. Then try to shoot him

aSKperger wrote:

Assuming you get one that’s easy

Either way I’d be reluctant to turn my back on anyone armed even with a knife.
a. Maybe they can outrun you.
b. Maybe they have a hidden pistol in addition to the knife (the knife is quieter).
c. Maybe they have an accomplice or two just outside of your line of sight.
In some states, including this one, there is no lawful duty to retreat in a cases like this and sometimes it’s just plain unwise to in the interest of self preservation.


They are not all intelligent but nonetheless can still be dangerous.
There are drills that can be used, with or without a gun, to defeat a knife attacker in situations like that but they need advance practice in order to increase the changes of *victim survival.
Once again circumstances rule above all.

I know your kind historically gives preference to society’s predators under the pretense of public safety, progressive civilization, criminal rights, etc. but I refuse to drink that cool-aid.

*victim: The target or would- be victim of the predator’s attack. The predator himself does not qualify as the victim since he chose to attempt to harm his victim or victims, economy, race, politics, drug abuse, etc, notwithstanding.

Nice try, though.
At lease more credible than a personal attack.

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If I remember correctly, if a man within twenty feet of you pulls a knife and charges you, the man with the knife will win most of the time (assuming you don't literally carry your gun in your hand all day).