If guns were made illegal everywhere.

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says who?


So we do nothing?


So psycho or not, does not matter, gun to every family?

If it has the potential to save a life then, in this regard, they are equal. If I save my life with my handgun against an armed attacker this year and and next year by wearing my seat belt in an accident my life is still saved. Neither guarantee anything if you don't use them correctly, period.
There aren't and never will be enough armed professionals around to attend to every emergency where the use of arms could save they day so I'll carry my own.
Even loosely suggesting the cops can be everywhere and do everything is dangerously naive.



That IS an infringement and not even a definitive measure against what you fear.
And yes, I do value my freedom more than my safety and security and that won't change. Personally, I don't hold a high opinion for anyone who believes otherwise.

I'm surprised......

Guns are not given away unless as a gift. They are merchandise and usually costly. To buy one you have to be a resident, be 18 for long guns and 21 for handguns, fill out a mandatory questionnaire (ATF from 4473) for each one, have an on-the-spot criminal background check (NICS) done at buyer expense, and a waiting period (unless you have a CCW). That and spend some money. Typical example would be a Glock and those are about $485 and up last time I checked so it's not a give-away by any means legally or dollar-wise.
So no, they usually don't come from Santa Claus.




The only ones not using sense in these gunz-r-bad debates, to use the term loosely, are the people on YOUR side.

You would say that, because you have an agenda

As much as I dislike Raptor, I can't see an agenda in his statements other than "I like guns, I have the right to own guns, I do not want my guns to be taken away from me."

Not really much of an agenda.

Studies have shown Guns don't do sh!t.
No positive or negative effect on crime rates.
they are just a wubbie a pacifier for wingnuts.
So that they pay all their feeble attention to the 2nd amendment
whilst never minding the 4th, 5th and 8th are completely eroded

I point you to Oz. Yes, "gun crimes" lessened when legislation was introduced that created licensing, but other means of crime rose enough to effectively make it the same (murder rate actually has increased since then). Hence, people will find a way.

People seem to like hurting others for some reason. I don't understand them, but hey, that's just me.

And so do you. You don't like mine because it goes against yours.

When the First Amendment goes (and it probably will) it is Game Over for any kind of liberty in this "republic".

ruveyn

I meant to add the first in there.
The second unfortunately is moot we can not arm ourselves against a government
that has modern weapons even if only to keep them in line.
At this point the 2nd Amendment is a red herring fro hobbyists.

I've had that nag at the back of my mind as well. Even if you gave each and every American a serviceable rifle, wtf are they gonna do against tanks, aircraft, cruise missiles, and professional soldiers and officers?

A possible counter to the "we need guns to protect us from the government!" argument.

I think it is The counter to that argument.

The same thing that the VietCong, Mujahadeen, and Iraqi Fedayeen do or have done.

So they'd be guerillas, basically. And what's the next step after that? Take pot shots at the US military forever? Unlike Vietnam and Iraq, the military can't just decide to pack up and go home, when they're fighting for control of home.

Nah, I live in a country where this isn't an issue. As I will never live in America unless you sort out the problems with your country, gun control doesn't affect me. I just think your ideology is stupid, based on pre-Industrial thought, and based on circular reasoning. I just enjoy pointing that out

I'm from the UK, we have strict gun laws, there's not many shootings here, unless you count criminal shooting criminal. Personally, this doesn't bother me, the less criminals on our streets the better, so they can keep shooting each other for all I care.

My view on it is, I don't think guns should be legal at all. Guns were made for one purpose and one purpose only - killing things. As killing is illegal and immoral, why should guns be legal?

I've had this argument with my husband, he says we all have a right to protect ourselves - yes we do, but do you really think if a crazed gunman storms in here, or pulls you out of your car, or drives past shooting at us you're going to have time to pull out your handgun and kill them first? If so, you're a fool.

His second argument was that people won't attack you if they know you might have a gun on you. I don't think the average criminal cares much about whether you shoot him or not, he begins his actions knowing by the end of the day he could be in prison or dead and is perfectly willing to take that risk. And as for the crazed gunmen, they know for SURE they're going to be dead or in custody, and WANT it. If you seriously believe people won't do illegal things or steal, attack or rape because the victim might have a gun on them, you're a fool too.

The american argument of having a gun for protection is false. People don't want guns to protect themselves, they want them for retribution and revenge, so that if somebody kills or injures a loved one, you can blast them from the face of the earth. It's nothing to do with protection.

How many people walk around with knives in their pockets, get into fights and end up being stabbed with their own knives? In our country, a LOT. Imagine if those knives were guns. Imagine how many would die, because for someone with a knife, the damage you can inflict is limited, your aim is better for one, and others have a chance to at least fight you off because you have to get so close to actually stab someone. With a gun, you can go relatively unseen and kill a crowd in seconds.

Bottom line: Carrying a gun not only makes you no more likely to be able to protect yourself than if you were holding up a potato at a gunman, it also puts the carrier in more danger. People want a gun because it makes them feel powerful, it makes them feel cool and boosts their ego. Pretty sad really.

i'm dimly aware that guns are a symptom of deeper problems. one should attack the fundamental problems and not merely the symptoms. as anybody educated in medicine can tell you, suppressing symptoms more often than not just causes other symptoms to pop up elsewhere. the democrats need to stop kicking this dead horse [gun control] and concentrate their limited and severely depleted energies elsewhere which would be more profitable for them [such as a SCOTUS-proofed campaign finance reform as well as defending health care reform against those who want the poor to just die].