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First off, failing doesn't defeat the point because the Christian God is forgiving.
According to what you believe, that is. Which is not founded upon any conclusive evidence.
Remember, even if you can show that God exists, you still need to demonstrate that it's the Christian God that exists. And not someone like Allah, for example.
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My evidence for God is:
1. there is existence.
2. existence either A) began from a prime source (Which would be God) or B) has always been/burst into being spontaneously (pantheism)
3. therefore, no matter what, some sort of God exists.
You assume the prime source must be God. It could easily be something that doesn't have a mind but otherwise has identical attributes to God in that it is beyond time and space and can bring forth universes into existence (although with my proposition, it is done randomly since it lacks a conscious mind).
So rule out with logic my proposition first.
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Why the Christian God? I feel it makes the most sense. It is admittedly largely a matter of faith and ideology.
Exactly. There's no evidence for the Christian God.
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Your theory of dragons contradicts all known writings about dragons. If we were to assume dragons existed, I would trust the stories handed down for centuries to give a better account of what to expect them to be like than something you just made up.
Your logic is all flawed here. Just because something wasn't written about in history doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Just because no book in history mentions dragons or any creature doing such and such doesn't mean that they don't. But if there is no evidenc for dragons doing such and such, then it's reasonable to accept that it's likely that they don't as it's reasonable to accept that the Christian God likely does not exist.
Books written in history about entities for which we lack evidence do not constitute much evidence that we can rely on. Otherwise, we'd have to accept the existence of Allah, Zeus, Odin, Baal, Baldur, Heracles, etc. And let's face it, most Christians don't. And neither do atheists.
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My theory of God however doesn't contradict all known writings on the subject.
It certainly contradicts the reality of this world. An entity that supposedly loves and cares for the creatures of this world sure is showing the opposite when people suffer and get tortured because he stood by and did nothing (assuming he actually exists).
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What if the answer can be found, but not by staring at my bedroom wall? what then?
So how can the answer be found then? In your mind? That's too subjective for my liking.
Even if the Prime source had no mind, it would still be God. God is the prime source.
I didn't say not being written=not being true. I said I would trust the writings on the subject more than I would trust something you made up for the purpose of debate. It's a flawed analogy in any case since dragons are described as existing constantly in the physical world and being able to be located within it whereas the Christian idea of God? Not so much.
What makes you think it contradicts the reality of this world? I would say allowing us to make our own decisions is caring, even if it means allowing us to make those decisions wrong.
You talk about "conclusive evidence" an awful lot. Where is your conclusive evidence that the physical world exists?
22 Dec 2012, 10:45 pm
