Is there anything to "Men's Rights" groups?

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Aw. That's not very nice. It is healthier to project the blame elsewhere.

Well, there is quite a LOT of prostitution in Thailand--and it is ALL over the country. Executive ejaculatory administrators know that there is more money to be made in the tourist areas.


Yummy!


Now that you mention it, I do remember, back in my college days, Iranian and Arab male students did seem to be getting a heck of a lot more than what would seem to have been their fair share.


Do you have anything to back this up? My experience in Taiwan was the opposite.


Well, there are still more men than women willing to pay for coitus. I should think that this would be indicative of a bigger sex drive among males. There are Feminists who are anti-sex, anti-pornography, anti-masturbation, and anti-prostitution. And there are Feminists who object to their gender being objectified sexually. You don't hear much of this coming from the other side.

Damn batteries ran out!

( joke aside, concur with hyperlexian. We blame ourselves unless the reason for the frustration is that we're trying with someone else and it's not very good )

That's probably one of the big reasons for gender ratio imbalance in willingness to have casual sex. If a man can just stick it in, chances are he'll at least get some satisfaction and relief even if she doesn't know what she's doing. For a woman it often takes a bit more. If she picks up someone who ends up only pumping away for a couple minutes, ignores the clitoris, then rolls over done, she's just left MORE sexually frustrated from the experience, not relieved like the guy is. On top of that, she has a lot more safety issues to worry about.

About prostitution existing for men but not woman as much, for a lot of women, their sexuality is tied up with how attractive they feel. If someone gets turned on feeling sexy and attractive to other people, needing to resort to paying for it might lead them to feel depressed and insecure instead of satisfied, and who wants to pay money to feel worse about themselves?

Easier to stay at home with the vibrator instead of going out making a huge deal about it. Doesn't mean they're not horny.

EDIT: I have never come across anti-masturbation feminists. AP, where do you get this?

I don't. Why should other people be to blame for our own feelings?

Well, some of them don't want us to watch pornography.....

Oh, this practice goes back into antiquity and beyond



The Israelites transfered their own bad feelings to the goat's head, and felt a lot better about themselves.

Christians do the same thing by transfering the blame for all of their problems onto Jesus, so that they can feel personally blameless for their feelings.

Being able to blame your problems on someone else has considerable therapeutic value.

Huh. That's interesting. For my gender, the experience is also tied up in how attractive we think the woman is.

I don't agree with that, but that's still not the same as being anti-masturbation. Porn isn't necessary for it. Nice, but not necessary.

That depends.

According to this thread, "society" isn't doing enough to ameliorate the "unhappiness" felt by people who can't get laid, so the blame obviously rests with "society."

Well, they say that the gents tend to be more stimulated by visual representations. The ladies less so.

XFilesGeek, I still think the dating school is a very good idea. You being asexual and aromantic isn't an excuse to reject such an idea because no one is putting a bullet to your head and threatening you to join. Suppose the majority do want something like that to happen, would you want to stop them and try to rationalize away their wishes and desires because you personally couldn't understand why they would want so?

My issue with a "dating class" is mostly a matter of pragmatics.

Like I said to Hyperlexian, you're going to have a bugger of a time coming up with a curriculum that parents and taxpayers are going to find acceptable (and you're going to have to deal with both taxpayers and parents if you want to start this thing in a public school). There are many factors to consider, such as the sexuality of the students, the cultural and religious beliefs of the parents, and whether we really trust the U.S. government to be teaching kids how to date.

IMHO, your best bet might be to target colleges and offer an optional class. A "dating class" might be a good idea, but I'm skeptical that implementing it via public schools, and using taxpayers money, is going to fly with our rather contentious and Puritanical society.

As for the rest, I'm all for legalizing prostitution and Americans being more free and open with their sexuality. Women enjoying sex, even casual sex, with men offends not my feminist sensibilities.

If you search the word "masturbation" on NOW's website: no results

http://www.now.org/search.html?cx=01596 ... x=0&sa.y=0

Which must mean that Feminists are not supposed to masturbate.

BUT, if you search for "masturbation" on the National Coalition for Men's website

http://ncfm.org/?cx=0174857238286499553 ... 6599083j12

you get a BUNCH of articles.

PROOF that masturbation is more of a masculine than feminine activity.

Those links are breaking the page- what's up there?

This is one legitimate "men's rights" group, focusing on parenting inequality (women almost always get custody of children and fathers consequently see a lot less of their children than mothers): http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/

What is the Feminist stance on this? Basically "Men! Boooo!"?