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23 Feb 2013, 8:53 am

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Case in point. On this thread and others, there are guys expressing sexual frustration and claiming women have it oh so easy. On another thread in the L&D, there are guys claiming they're turned off by women "throwing themselves" at them, being "clingy" and how uncomfortable they are with desperate ugly or overweight women's sexual advances. One could lump these men all together and make the sweeping assertion that "Men are hypocritical and full of crap" or just realize that they are different men with different opinions, wants and experiences. I go with the latter.


Sexually frustrated men often blame Feminism, hire executive ejaculatory administrators where legal, etc. etc. Whom do sexually frustrated women blame, and what is their outlet? Do they blame their plight on MRAs? Misogynists? Patriarchs?

themselves.


Aw. That's not very nice. It is healthier to project the blame elsewhere.



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23 Feb 2013, 9:13 am

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Ok, I wasn't denying that it was easy to get sex in Thailand. I just don't think Thai society pressures women to have sex with foreigners, except maybe in the money-making industries.


Well, there is quite a LOT of prostitution in Thailand--and it is ALL over the country. Executive ejaculatory administrators know that there is more money to be made in the tourist areas.

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I think it's a genetic thing that women from certain Asian countries think caucasian men are hot and can't control themselves.

Yummy!

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This is the same phenomena you have with many European/American women and middle eastern men; it's a genetic attraction that is so strong that all the rules and inhibitions simply fly out the windows.

Now that you mention it, I do remember, back in my college days, Iranian and Arab male students did seem to be getting a heck of a lot more than what would seem to have been their fair share.

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In China, the sex industry is illegal and punishable by death. But the women are still all over you if you visit. So I think it's a genetic/novelty thing. Both men and women love to f**k what they haven't seen much of before.

Do you have anything to back this up? My experience in Taiwan was the opposite.

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It all goes to prove that men and women have equal sex drives.

Well, there are still more men than women willing to pay for coitus. I should think that this would be indicative of a bigger sex drive among males. There are Feminists who are anti-sex, anti-pornography, anti-masturbation, and anti-prostitution. And there are Feminists who object to their gender being objectified sexually. You don't hear much of this coming from the other side.



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23 Feb 2013, 9:55 am

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Sexually frustrated men often blame Feminism, hire executive ejaculatory administrators where legal, etc. etc. Whom do sexually frustrated women blame, and what is their outlet? Do they blame their plight on MRAs? Misogynists? Patriarchs?


Damn batteries ran out!

( joke aside, concur with hyperlexian. We blame ourselves unless the reason for the frustration is that we're trying with someone else and it's not very good :P )

That's probably one of the big reasons for gender ratio imbalance in willingness to have casual sex. If a man can just stick it in, chances are he'll at least get some satisfaction and relief even if she doesn't know what she's doing. For a woman it often takes a bit more. If she picks up someone who ends up only pumping away for a couple minutes, ignores the clitoris, then rolls over done, she's just left MORE sexually frustrated from the experience, not relieved like the guy is. On top of that, she has a lot more safety issues to worry about.

About prostitution existing for men but not woman as much, for a lot of women, their sexuality is tied up with how attractive they feel. If someone gets turned on feeling sexy and attractive to other people, needing to resort to paying for it might lead them to feel depressed and insecure instead of satisfied, and who wants to pay money to feel worse about themselves?

Easier to stay at home with the vibrator instead of going out making a huge deal about it. Doesn't mean they're not horny.

EDIT: I have never come across anti-masturbation feminists. AP, where do you get this?



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23 Feb 2013, 10:07 am

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Case in point. On this thread and others, there are guys expressing sexual frustration and claiming women have it oh so easy. On another thread in the L&D, there are guys claiming they're turned off by women "throwing themselves" at them, being "clingy" and how uncomfortable they are with desperate ugly or overweight women's sexual advances. One could lump these men all together and make the sweeping assertion that "Men are hypocritical and full of crap" or just realize that they are different men with different opinions, wants and experiences. I go with the latter.


Sexually frustrated men often blame Feminism ...


I don't. Why should other people be to blame for our own feelings?



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23 Feb 2013, 10:25 am

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EDIT: I have never come across anti-masturbation feminists. AP, where do you get this?


Well, some of them don't want us to watch pornography.....



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23 Feb 2013, 10:35 am

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Case in point. On this thread and others, there are guys expressing sexual frustration and claiming women have it oh so easy. On another thread in the L&D, there are guys claiming they're turned off by women "throwing themselves" at them, being "clingy" and how uncomfortable they are with desperate ugly or overweight women's sexual advances. One could lump these men all together and make the sweeping assertion that "Men are hypocritical and full of crap" or just realize that they are different men with different opinions, wants and experiences. I go with the latter.


Sexually frustrated men often blame Feminism ...


I don't. Why should other people be to blame for our own feelings?


Oh, this practice goes back into antiquity and beyond

Leviticus 16 wrote:
The community of Israel shall give Aaron two male goats for a sin offering and a ram for a burnt offering. 6 He shall offer a bull as a sacrifice to take away his own sins and those of his family. Then he shall take the two goats to the entrance of the Tent of the Lord's presence. There he shall draw lots, using two stones, one marked “for the Lord” and the other “for Azazel.” Aaron shall sacrifice the goat chosen by lot for the Lord and offer it as a sin offering. The goat chosen for Azazel shall be presented alive to the Lord and sent off into the desert to Azazel, in order to take away the sins of the people....

...When Aaron has finished performing the ritual to purify the Most Holy Place, the rest of the Tent of the Lord's presence, and the altar, he shall present to the Lord the live goat chosen for Azazel. He shall put both of his hands on the goat's head and confess over it all the evils, sins, and rebellions of the people of Israel, and so transfer them to the goat's head. Then the goat is to be driven off into the desert by someone appointed to do it. The goat will carry all their sins away with him into some uninhabited land.


The Israelites transfered their own bad feelings to the goat's head, and felt a lot better about themselves.

Christians do the same thing by transfering the blame for all of their problems onto Jesus, so that they can feel personally blameless for their feelings.

Being able to blame your problems on someone else has considerable therapeutic value.



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23 Feb 2013, 10:39 am

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About prostitution existing for men but not woman as much, for a lot of women, their sexuality is tied up with how attractive they feel. If someone gets turned on feeling sexy and attractive to other people, needing to resort to paying for it might lead them to feel depressed and insecure instead of satisfied, and who wants to pay money to feel worse about themselves?


Huh. That's interesting. For my gender, the experience is also tied up in how attractive we think the woman is.



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23 Feb 2013, 10:42 am

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Well, some of them don't want us to watch pornography.....


I don't agree with that, but that's still not the same as being anti-masturbation. Porn isn't necessary for it. Nice, but not necessary.



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23 Feb 2013, 11:50 am

Jono wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
mercifullyfree wrote:
Case in point. On this thread and others, there are guys expressing sexual frustration and claiming women have it oh so easy. On another thread in the L&D, there are guys claiming they're turned off by women "throwing themselves" at them, being "clingy" and how uncomfortable they are with desperate ugly or overweight women's sexual advances. One could lump these men all together and make the sweeping assertion that "Men are hypocritical and full of crap" or just realize that they are different men with different opinions, wants and experiences. I go with the latter.


Sexually frustrated men often blame Feminism ...


I don't. Why should other people be to blame for our own feelings?


That depends.

According to this thread, "society" isn't doing enough to ameliorate the "unhappiness" felt by people who can't get laid, so the blame obviously rests with "society."


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23 Feb 2013, 12:06 pm

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Well, some of them don't want us to watch pornography.....


I don't agree with that, but that's still not the same as being anti-masturbation. Porn isn't necessary for it. Nice, but not necessary.


Well, they say that the gents tend to be more stimulated by visual representations. The ladies less so.



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23 Feb 2013, 12:10 pm

XFilesGeek, I still think the dating school is a very good idea. You being asexual and aromantic isn't an excuse to reject such an idea because no one is putting a bullet to your head and threatening you to join. Suppose the majority do want something like that to happen, would you want to stop them and try to rationalize away their wishes and desires because you personally couldn't understand why they would want so?



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23 Feb 2013, 2:36 pm

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XFilesGeek, I still think the dating school is a very good idea. You being asexual and aromantic isn't an excuse to reject such an idea because no one is putting a bullet to your head and threatening you to join. Suppose the majority do want something like that to happen, would you want to stop them and try to rationalize away their wishes and desires because you personally couldn't understand why they would want so?


My issue with a "dating class" is mostly a matter of pragmatics.

Like I said to Hyperlexian, you're going to have a bugger of a time coming up with a curriculum that parents and taxpayers are going to find acceptable (and you're going to have to deal with both taxpayers and parents if you want to start this thing in a public school). There are many factors to consider, such as the sexuality of the students, the cultural and religious beliefs of the parents, and whether we really trust the U.S. government to be teaching kids how to date.

IMHO, your best bet might be to target colleges and offer an optional class. A "dating class" might be a good idea, but I'm skeptical that implementing it via public schools, and using taxpayers money, is going to fly with our rather contentious and Puritanical society.

As for the rest, I'm all for legalizing prostitution and Americans being more free and open with their sexuality. Women enjoying sex, even casual sex, with men offends not my feminist sensibilities.


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23 Feb 2013, 3:56 pm

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Well, some of them don't want us to watch pornography.....


I don't agree with that, but that's still not the same as being anti-masturbation. Porn isn't necessary for it. Nice, but not necessary.


If you search the word "masturbation" on NOW's website: no results

http://www.now.org/search.html?cx=01596 ... x=0&sa.y=0

Which must mean that Feminists are not supposed to masturbate.



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23 Feb 2013, 5:40 pm

BUT, if you search for "masturbation" on the National Coalition for Men's website

http://ncfm.org/?cx=0174857238286499553 ... 6599083j12

you get a BUNCH of articles.

PROOF that masturbation is more of a masculine than feminine activity. :P



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23 Feb 2013, 6:14 pm

Those links are breaking the page- what's up there?

This is one legitimate "men's rights" group, focusing on parenting inequality (women almost always get custody of children and fathers consequently see a lot less of their children than mothers): http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/



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23 Feb 2013, 8:08 pm

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This is one legitimate "men's rights" group, focusing on parenting inequality (women almost always get custody of children and fathers consequently see a lot less of their children than mothers): http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/


What is the Feminist stance on this? Basically "Men! Boooo!"?