Margaret Thatcher has died

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09 Apr 2013, 1:27 pm

I don't know her personal views on race or whatnot but her stance on South Africa isn't so bad. Sanctions are an act of war and trying to isolate a country will drive them further away. The ANC did partake in terrorist activity and never renounced violence, the saintly image some people have of Nelson Mandela isn't particularly accurate. As they say tho, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Personally I wouldn't interfere in the domestic affairs of another country. Apartheid was evil but there is a lot of evil in this world.

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09 Apr 2013, 1:56 pm

And what is your opinion on the Falklands War, I am definitely sure that there is some British i'm sure that Argentinian also can be found on this forum.

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09 Apr 2013, 2:02 pm

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And here my previous post as my history teacher used to say "point of view depends on the point of the seat"

Polish resistance movement during World War II, was called by the Germans "Nazis" terrorists

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Point for her, progressive idea and what it is?
You mean political correctness bull sh**:-)
I even understood her, and as for those members of the IRA were terrorists after all, they not ended in prison for innocence. If she had agreed to the request of one prisoner, they would be another demand, solo accommodation, prison cell etc.

Inmate threatens to commit suicide, and so what? It his / her life, and tax payer money wold be saved:-)

Obviously you've got no understanding of the Northern Ireland context, let alone what was happening during the darker days of the 70's and early 80's.

The IRA/INLA didn't blow up cars and kill soldiers because they enjoyed it. They did it because of a gerrymandering political system that ensured the status quo remained in the Unionist favour. They did it because nationalist homes were only being granted one vote per household. (Unionist households got one vote per resident). Also because protestants were being given preferential treatment when it came to housing and jobs. Thatchers policies were only serving to exacerbate nationalist alienation and hard feeling.

You can't take the imprisoned paramilitaries of either the republican or loyalist side and compare them to prisoners in somewhere like America or England. It is wholly different semantics.

Sorry, I read a little about the Northern Irish conflict, and now I understand more. But still not terrorism, and special considerations for terrorists in prison.
On the other hand my fellow Poles also could be described as terrorists, because members of the Polish resistance movement known as the Home Army did attacks on Nazi officials, German soldiers, Gestapo agents and SS.
A similar situation occurred after the war, my countrymen, organized attacks on members of the Soviet-imposed "government", the Communists called them terrorists and traitors.

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09 Apr 2013, 2:21 pm

I roared with laughter at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ll-cartoon

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09 Apr 2013, 3:04 pm

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I roared with laughter at this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ll-cartoon

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09 Apr 2013, 3:15 pm

pawelk1986 wrote:

And what is your opinion on the Falklands War, I am definitely sure that there is some British i'm sure that Argentinian also can be found on this forum.

Beat to Quarters! We'll show the Argie swine our mettle!

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09 Apr 2013, 3:48 pm

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The woman showed a lot of signs of racism in her stance on South Africa.

By opposing apartheid, you mean? She thought that sanctions weren't the best way to bring them to heel, as it could do more harm to South Africans than good.

She was more worried about how sanctions would affect British businesses.

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09 Apr 2013, 4:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:

pawelk1986 wrote:

And what is your opinion on the Falklands War, I am definitely sure that there is some British i'm sure that Argentinian also can be found on this forum.

Beat to Quarters! We'll show the Argie swine our mettle!

I do not knew that you are Britt

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09 Apr 2013, 4:37 pm

She was a lousy prime minister.

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09 Apr 2013, 4:54 pm

It's unfortunate that she's dead, but people die...That's why I'm indifferent to it.

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09 Apr 2013, 5:22 pm

Yep, when you gotta go, you gotta go.

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09 Apr 2013, 7:04 pm

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AgentPalpatine wrote

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What was it about her that brought out this level of venom?

It’s a given that if she had been Labour Party you wouldn't see this level of venom here. Just look at the people in this thread that are so opposed to her and that says it all.
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Labour party clause 4 period or post clause 4 period?

Edit: re venom let me share with you FB stauts I just got & it will give you an idea of the venom the people of city for her

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Dear Mr. Camaron

Can you please do me a favour and will you have Mrs thatchers body kept away from her family for 5 to 10 days and if you could, would you have the pathologist to check her bloods for any trace of alcohol then once the pathologist comes back with the results of how she actually died. Please tell the pathologist not to tell her family for 24 years of how she actually died just like the 96 families from the Hillsborough disaster had to wait

This does sound disrespectful but did she have any respect for the people of liverpool when her and her friends coverd up the death of 96 people no she never

PS When I die will I also have a free funeral

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09 Apr 2013, 8:06 pm

Raptor wrote:

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What was it about her that brought out this level of venom?

It’s a given that if she had been Labour Party you wouldn't see this level of venom here. Just look at the people in this thread that are so opposed to her and that says it all.
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Erm, no kidding? If she had been Labour Party then she wouldn't have been the same Margaret Thatcher. She was the antithesis of the traditional Labour Party.

Imagine if Stalin had been a pacifist, committed to Friedman, and hadn't committed genocide- people would hate him a lot less. Except for being committed Friedman.

If somehow Margaret Thatcher had the same personality but was a left winger... well, I don't have a clue what she'd be like. But given that she'd have been dedicated to helping the majority rather than the minority that elected her three times, I think it is safe to say she'd be better liked.

When Tony Blair dies, I imagine there will be similar reactions to what you've seen over the past few days. More died in his wars than in Thatcher's.

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09 Apr 2013, 8:56 pm

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Erm, no kidding? If she had been Labour Party then she wouldn't have been the same Margaret Thatcher. She was the antithesis of the traditional Labour Party.

You know what I meant. I meant if it were a deceased liberal former PM.

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10 Apr 2013, 2:21 am

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Pretty much the last of the generation that ended the cold war.

I believe Lech Wałęsa is still alive, actually...

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10 Apr 2013, 2:36 am

He is. And not to long ago, he had demonstrated his foot-in-mouth disease by publicly making homophobic statements.

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