Outcome of the Verdict

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Really guys, I think we need to stop feeding the trolls. All of them, including the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and whoever their right wing equivalents are. If they're not interested in hard facts, then I'm not interested in listening to them or letting them have any impact on my life. Some people just seem to have made up their minds not to listen to reason, and as such, can't be reasoned out of their position, because they never reasoned themselves into it in the first place.

Maybe, but the "aboriginal people" weren't lilly white.

Research how they regarded different tribes and what they did when they conquered them. If anything, we were more humane than some of them were.

More like it was racist, not is. We've become about as un-racist as we can and then some.

Thanks for your reply. I don't think the 150 so years is that long ago. That would be my great, great grandparents I think. If I was living side by side with people that had kept my great great grandparent a slave, I would bear a grudge.
Are you saying that the problem is black racism toward whites? I agree that that's part of the problem. But whites still have the power. I think that both sides have more that they could do.

I still can't figure why Zimmerman thought Martin was a threat to his neighbourhood though. Prior to the confrontation, Zimmerman doesn't offer any evidence of malfeasance on the part of Martin.

He thought he was a threat because he was walking behind houses ran away and then blindsided and beat him that is why he killed the him and did the area a public service of a human garbage man.

I don't believe America is a racist country, we are the most race obsessed tho. Allegations of racism are like a 21st century version of McCarthyism. I'm sure the idiots on MSNBC check under their bed every night for those oh so scary racists.

I really am disgusted with the media, they've done everything in their power to stoke racial tensions and for what? Ratings? Or something more sinister? They bend and twist the facts of almost every issue until it's all about race and if they can't do that they'll just lie.

The legitimacy of the verdict is unravelling with the revelations of the jury instructions as well as the interviews of Juror B37. The whole thing was rigged for Zimmerman.

How is that? How was it rigged? There simply wasn't evidence to convict Zimmerman of the crimes he was charged with and everybody that watched the trial probably knew what the verdict was going to be. The prosecution was way too ambitious in the charges brought against Zimmerman.

I do not know how things are in Canada but here is a small description of how it is here..and by here I mean I live in the same city where this happened. Sanford is less than a 15 minutes drive from my house.

There are two 'types' of residential area. 'Gated' areas which are either condo buildings, apartment buildings or homes which are enclosed by a wall and have their own services for residents (pools, playgrounds, clubhouses with exercise machines, lakes, etc) and non-gated areas. Non-gated are lots where houses are built and there is no communal setting/services or agreements. The yards are enclosed by fences only if the owners wish it (most dont..its a hassle in hurricane season as they get blown off).

The big difference between these residential areas is that if you live in a gated community the people that live in it are all likely of the same income level since the homes/apartments/etc are built together and share the same value. You won't see a poverty-level family living next to a wealthy upper income family in a gated community.

You will see income level differences in non-gated communities.

Finally, gated communities are not public property. It is private. If you do not live in the community and are not a guest of a home owner you are trespassing.

With that in mind, and given the fact that gated communities are often about 8 to 12 city blocks in size containing 100~200 homes... when you see someone that you have not seen before and who dresses unlike anyone in the community norm... you have a warning flag in your mind.

In my community we have had cases of vagrants and druggies that walk through the community as a shortcut between the main bus stop and the convenience store that is a block down from where my community is. Every time these people 'jump' over the wall to do this they are confronted by neighbors and told to leave... more often than not these people refuse and police gets called. One was stupid enough to pull a knife to act tough and found himself staring at 2 civvy AR15 rifles aimed at his chest shortly thereafter. He was arrested when the police arrived.

There is no 'racial' profiling done to spot these people. They are usually so obviously out of place and people know each other around here (maybe not by name but more of 'yeah ive seen him at the park with his kids') that you can spot them. Last year the police arrested a few men in a van that had parked in front of a neighbor's house...they were pretending to be cable service people but were in fact stealing in the home. They got spotted because the community did not use the cable service that was painted on the van and someone called the police just in case.

Z. spotted T. walking with a hoodie and staring at homes as he went by (he did not live there, he was visiting and was not familiar with the homes in the area is my best guess...which in a way can tell you why Z. spotted him as out of place). He ran away after making eye contact with Z inside his car and seeing him on the phone (Z was talking to police at that point). Another big flag for someone out of place.

..and the area had been hit by a string of robberies and Z was part of the neighborhood watch. That's all it was.

We don't have gated or walled communities where I live in Kingston, Ontario. We do have condominium complexes where the residents share common areas such as pools and play areas. But there are no actual barriers.
Is there a lot of crime where you live? It sounds scary; like a never ending siege.

I'm from Texas and crime is high there. Areas with gated communities have less crimes than those without gates.

The point is that no one from that era is alive today. No one to offer an apology and no one to apologize to.


To what avail, though?

At this time that is the bigger part of it.


Everyone has a vote and a voice.


Martin was out of place in a gated community. Out of place people, regardless of race, draw attention. If I remember right, there had been burglary related problems in that community before this incident so peoples level of awareness would have been up.




A conspiracy? I should have known it would lead to this.

Its not really a matter of crime level where I live. The problem is criminals don't tend to burglarize the areas they live in...they travel to more affluent locations to do so.

Non-gated communities in wealthy areas suffer from higher crime rate than gated ones. Its a simple enough reason: No wall, no security cameras, no watchful neighbors...each individual home is isolated and much easier a target.

It doesn't happen every day ..its more of once or twice a year kind of thing.

The neighborhood Zimmerman was watching is very close to a very low income/welfare non-gated residential area and a commercial area that have high crime rate. That gated community is not wealthy but its not lacking either. It is not surprising to hear they have break ins more often than other places.

Makes sense; they wouldn't be there if there wasn't a need for them.


No avail, only bitterness. Bad path to go down.


Hmmm . . . I"m not so sure. I was walking into the grocery store yesterday. And this unbelievably gorgeous young black woman got out of her car and walked through the automatic door ahead of me. Passing her on their way out where two young white girls. One made a remark to the other and nodded to the black woman and they laughed. I don't know what they said, but I wondered. She was incredibly beautiful. Tall and rubenesque and strong.


I worry about break-ins where I live. We're on the first floor of a six-storey building. We have two dogs though and not much to steal. We do have gun crime, but it's more for psychiatric or personal reasons. Toronto is a different story. Things are nasty there. There has been an influx of Caribbean gang members and there have been a lot of shootings related to this.

You really don't know girls? There is a slim chance it was because the color of her skin and a strong chance it was because she was gorgeous as you put it. Girls are always sizing each other up. That's just girl nature really.

Then imagine if one of those gangs moved to your city and they set up shop in the low income areas. They would begin breaking in to homes of wealthier areas (yours for example). Once they start to get noticed and the news spread their 'exploits' the local criminals say 'hey if they can do it so can we!' .... as it keeps happening even local dumb kids and young adults start to do it as their first forays in crime or to pay for drug habits.

This is why the gated/walled communities prop up.