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01 Oct 2013, 1:54 pm

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There is no criminal penalty for not paying the fine, it says that right in the law. The IRS can withhold your tax returns and send you nasty letters.


That is correct. There is no criminal penalty. It is a tax. I have been calling it a fine, because that is what everyone seems to be familiar with calling it.

The IRS will withhold your tax returns. They will also begin assessing fines and interest on those fines for failure to pay, and it will be governed by the current regulations regarding all other unpaid federal taxes, whether you file a return or not.


Meaning what? That they will throw you in jail? Is this your interpretation?


If you continue to avoid paying your taxes, eventually, they will throw you in jail. You will have to blow off paying the tax for quite some time before that happens. Even then, it would be considered a civil penalty, not a criminal one, which means you would still get to go buy a gun and vote.


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01 Oct 2013, 2:04 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
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sonofghandi wrote:
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There is no criminal penalty for not paying the fine, it says that right in the law. The IRS can withhold your tax returns and send you nasty letters.


That is correct. There is no criminal penalty. It is a tax. I have been calling it a fine, because that is what everyone seems to be familiar with calling it.

The IRS will withhold your tax returns. They will also begin assessing fines and interest on those fines for failure to pay, and it will be governed by the current regulations regarding all other unpaid federal taxes, whether you file a return or not.


Meaning what? That they will throw you in jail? Is this your interpretation?


If you continue to avoid paying your taxes, eventually, they will throw you in jail. You will have to blow off paying the tax for quite some time before that happens. Even then, it would be considered a civil penalty, not a criminal one, which means you would still get to go buy a gun and vote.


Is this your interpretation or do you have confirmation for this? I think the American public would be VERY interested in knowing. How many more lies did Obama tell to pass this fascist bill? It's funny how much of the supposed 'misinformation' and 'fear-mongering' turns out to actually be true.



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01 Oct 2013, 2:45 pm

If you arent paying any taxes you essentially have no legal income. You'd be exempt from the mandate by hardship. If a policy costs you over 8% of income, you are exempt.

Of those with sufficient income, if they wanted to pay 1% of their income or $95 and then take the risk of an ER visit before they could sign up, they can. But it soon becomes 2.5% or $695, whatever is higher, and most people would be paying well over a thousand dollars just to put their health at risk. You'd also not be able to sign up for last minute subsidized policies as enrollment is in the fall only, for policies to start Jan 1 of the following year.



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01 Oct 2013, 3:20 pm

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How many more lies did Obama tell to pass this fascist bill? It's funny how much of the supposed 'misinformation' and 'fear-mongering' turns out to actually be true.


Exactly how is this bill fascist?
What exactly has turned out to be true in regards to misinformation and fear-mongering?
If you actually read the ACA, the "fine" is called a "tax," and that all enforcable tax regulations will apply. If your problem is with the penalty for not being insured, you should focus more on the deplorable tax codes and regulations before you set your sights on something higher.


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01 Oct 2013, 4:09 pm

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For now - but wait more than a month, and that may not be the case if the idiot shutdown is still going on. But what about paying our service men and women? Or paying government workers who handle the day to day affairs of running important government agencies? And what are you going to tell that child who was looking forward to going to a zoo, or museum, or national park that depends on government funds?


All strawman arguments.

Most all essential services will be unaffected. Nobody who works will fail to be paid. These shutdowns are good for illuminating how many people are on a paycheck who really are not essential to our country.

It's nice to have stuff, but when you are forced to limit things to only what you can afford, it's an eye-opener as to what gets picked and what is discarded.

Even worse is that when the issue is resolved, all those who did not work will come back and get full back pay for the time they missed but never worked.

Most government employees should not have a job as they are not essential. In the state of our economy, it's long past time we eliminated every job we don't absolutely need unless there is the current income to cover them.


Those so called non-essential government employees buy goods and services, and pay taxes that keep the economy going. Without their monetary contribution, that's just so much less money coming into the system. They sound essential to me.

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01 Oct 2013, 4:16 pm

Republicans are thinking: "If at least one littler girl with cancer could die, this shutdown will be completely worth it"!

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... ay/280174/


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01 Oct 2013, 4:19 pm

I did not know there was going to be subsidies for the poor. I think this is why everyone is giddy. I am not so angry about that (as much as it is not economical), I am more angry about the individual mandate. If it were not for that, I would not worry as much. BTW, why can't we adopted the Asian doctor/patient model.



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01 Oct 2013, 4:21 pm

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False.

The ACA does not provide AFFORDABLE health care.

We can thank republicans' for that.


Kindly explain that.

Last I checked, the ACA was passed by a DEMOCRAT controlled House and Senate. The Republicans were in the minority and have managed to enact no changes to the ACA since it was drafted.

We live in a Bizarro world where DEMOCRATS can draft law, pass law, have it prove to be bad law, and somehow spin it into the fault of Republicans and have the masses believe it.

lol @ revisionism.

Everyone knows that Obama like make excessive compromises to appeal republicans.


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01 Oct 2013, 4:43 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
zer0netgain wrote:
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False.

The ACA does not provide AFFORDABLE health care.

We can thank republicans' for that.


Kindly explain that.

Last I checked, the ACA was passed by a DEMOCRAT controlled House and Senate. The Republicans were in the minority and have managed to enact no changes to the ACA since it was drafted.

We live in a Bizarro world where DEMOCRATS can draft law, pass law, have it prove to be bad law, and somehow spin it into the fault of Republicans and have the masses believe it.

lol @ revisionism.

Everyone knows that Obama like make excessive compromises to appeal republicans.


Who was he appealing to? None of them voted for it. He made compromises with moderate democrats who wouldn't of gone along otherwise.



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01 Oct 2013, 4:50 pm

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Obamacare is so good it forces people to buy it or face a fine Spoiler: they're still not going to buy it

speak for yourself. I am ALL IN. :razz:



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01 Oct 2013, 5:00 pm

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Who was he appealing to? None of them voted for it. He made compromises with moderate democrats who wouldn't of gone along otherwise.


Other than the ACA and all things related to it, the Obama Administration has made many concessions to the GOP. Every budget and debt ceiling negotiation has been full of concessions to the Republicans. Even when trying to avoid the sequester, the Dems made quite a few concessions to no avail. Why do you think the far right been so bold? They think they can get the other side to cave in, which just isn't going to happen this time around.


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01 Oct 2013, 5:32 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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Obamacare is so good it forces people to buy it or face a fine Spoiler: they're still not going to buy it

speak for yourself. I am ALL IN. :razz:


Seconded!

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01 Oct 2013, 9:10 pm

Both parties have accomplished things today.

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The site exceeded capacity. Claims that no one will enroll turned out to be BS (shock!).


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01 Oct 2013, 9:12 pm

what is going on in the heads of the TP? how could they have such hatred for the rest of us? how could they possibly think we'd all believe their lies?



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01 Oct 2013, 9:45 pm

We're starting to find out what's in it. Welcome to Part Time Nation.

http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359 ... ew-johnson



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01 Oct 2013, 9:48 pm

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We're starting to find out what's in it. Welcome to Part Time Nation.

http://m.nationalreview.com/article/359 ... ew-johnson

but at least those part-timers now have ready access to somewhat more affordable real health care and not just sham policies designed to drain their bank accounts and leave them financially bereft in real medical emergencies. :idea: