Politically correct people stay out of my threads

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The saturn thing was a euphenism i use for smoking weed (I guess I have to be blunt) because in Roman mythology Saturn was the god of euphoria. Non-exploitative prostitution is willing prostitution, where the woman offers the service on her own will as opposed to being forcibly trafficked. Young people who drink and drive and speed alot are also a hazard but the law doesn't ignore them being a hazard either. I haven't heard of them ever tightening up on people driving too far UNDER the speed limit.

Anarcho capitalism???? Dude, I actually said governments CAN be useful and SHOULD be used. I just did not trust them to always do the right thing. My statement does not even conform with what I would consider minarchism for goodness sakes but rather just generic market liberalism! I mean, I can see it possible as being construed as minarchist as most, however, I did give the state more leeway than most minarchists would normally call for. Capitalism tends to be viewed as an economic system, libertarianism/classical liberalism is the philosophical system that is seen as being behind capitalism and promoting it so you cannot blame me for being confused on the inclusion of buddhism.

I do though think that sweatshops for the most part can be cured with market forces alone though as growth will create more jobs and opportunities that will draw people away from less productive sweatshop labor, and if one just considers labor to be a market, as I believe most economists in general do, that argument makes perfect sense. Heck, I even remember reading on Yahoo news that in certain areas of China that tighter labor markets are forcing companies to improve wages whereas imposed labor market restrictions tend to fail because the laborers and the factory owners find them harmful. Now of course, I am perhaps holding the rule of law to both be good and to be constant, however, seriously, economic growth will lead to a greater demand for workers which will bid up prices somewhat and thus cause higher wages. Considering that about 47% of American Economic Association members surveyed in 2005 believed that federal minimum wages should be abolished which is an acceptance of the idea that wages will naturally improve on the labor market, I really would not consider my ideas that radical.

Sorry! I shall just call you Awesomelyglorious from here on in without trying to define your exact political, philosophical or economic position. And I did not blame you; I was trying to clarify what I had said. I never meant to imply any overall similarity between your position, Buddhism and Marxism, (they are about as different a set of philosophies as you can get) merely a naively optimistic view of human nature, and I regret saying that much; it is probably ill-considered and more to the point wrong. Is liberalism or liertarianism your preferred term?

Are you sure you do not mean Liber Pater or Bacchus? (admittedly the latter is merely a Latinisation of Bacchos one of the many titles of the Greek equivalent Dionysos, though Liber Pater was indigenous to Italy). Though given the festival of Saturnalia was a time of general topsy-turvydom when slaves and masters could change places temporarily perhaps you are correct. I think he (Saturn) may originally have been a harvest god later identified on dubious grounds with the Greek Titan Kronos, father of Hestia (known as Vesta to the Romans) Demeter (Ceres) Hera (Juno) Poseidon (Neptunis) Hades (Pluto/Dis) and Zeus (Jupiter/Jovis). Kronos himself was frequently confused with Chronos (Time, tempus in Latin). I think a scythe or sickle was associated with Saturn Kronos and Chronos. I am willing to stand corrected.

No problem! I just don't like being misdiagnosed at least not on a grand scale, and I consider myself a thoughtful person so I would have to defend an idea that is attacked as untrue or absurd. I did not consider my view of mankind an extreme of optimism considering that I can be relatively cynical, I just think that governments can mess up in calculating the good of individuals while these individuals will be better at making their own decisions or at least should have the freedom to do so. I really don't go by those terms you give. Heck, I am more likely to call myself conservative given the type of political conditions in the US. This is no support of Republicans, who have acted in a manner against the conservation of American principles as many would recognize, but rather a recognition that American conservatism does serve my purposes to some extent, despite the many flaws going through it in all forms of policy(although, all political parties have flaws to be honest), and the term conservative falls more in mainstream thought than what I would otherwise be called. If you call me any true appellation for my political ideology then I would prefer libertarian though, the reason being that unless you clearly define liberalism as being classical, people confuse you with the other form of liberalism.

The why don't you return to Intensitysquared??

Your view, you're entitled, thanks for sharing.
My 'truth' of what determines freedom is slightly different to yours. I was not meaning 'abuse' people, as you so put it via pc, that was your interpretation, not my intention. I was asserting the view that those whom do use pc are not necessarily ignorant or sheep.
Cheers

I think that being 'PC' is not something to fear
(it is not a breach of your freedom of speech, ok)

What it is ... is showing other people on this planet (Earth) that you can show respect & tolerance

(two values held high by most religions)

Life is not a competition

Tolerance? Political Correctness is very intolerant of historically dominant groups such as whites, males, heterosexuals. Any scientifically or statistically prooven truth gets tossed right out the window so that they can tell a lie to avoid conflict. However, when denying the said truth infringes upon the livelyhood or rights of the white/male/heterosexual, it gets ignored.
Examples being that it's "politically incorrect" to acknowledge that females can be sexist or that blacks/browns can be racist. So if I'm beaten down or robbed for being white, I can't call it racism, it's just an assault. But in reality it IS racism.

And your right, life shouldn't be a competition. So why are you trying to make it one? "Oh those evil conservatives" but you don't even realise (because you do not ***WANT*** to realise) that the liberal lable is just as intolerant of others. Your not a "free thinker" or "open minded" or "progressive" or "new age" or whatever you think you are by following political correctness, your just a sheep, furthermore the one thing you try to avoid being called, a biggot. I constantly hear the flame war between religious fanatics and pc-nutcases, both sides want to point the fingers at each other but neither side wants to acknowledge their own faults.

Also censorship is a breech of freedom of speech, obviously the pc trend is keeping people afraid to explore the real truth.

That is not true, you have a fairly narrow view of the subject, here.
Your interest seems to focus on white/male/heterosexuals (...let me guess... you are a white/male/heterosexual ?!??)
Whereas if you want to debate whether or not 'political correctness' is good or not you need to be able to see things from the other side(s) ... treat others as you would have them treat you, for one.

Your examples highlight this too, i think...

To correct you... it is not politically incorrect to acknowledge that females can be sexist
(because they can be sexist, and so too can males .. but not all of them and not all the time)

...same goes for your other example. And, if you are beaten down or robbed, I wouldn't advise calling it racism, unless it IS racism - careful not to make assumptions (interesting too, how you portray non white people, hmm.. might want to consider where the racism is lurking, dude)

I think perhaps, that you fear political correctness or think that it's something you need to fight ...
You started your post by saying that 'pc' is intolerant of "historically dominant groups such as whites, males, heterosexuals..."

Political correctness DOES mean being tolerant (something we should be very grateful of here, i think)

...and if it is at odds with some of the stuff that white/male/heterosexuals have done 'historically' ... well then ... that kind of speaks for itself ... you gotta understand that historically, some of those things were considered ok at the time... but these days, not so.

It's not about being a 'leftie' or being liberal ... it more like, not having a right-wing agenda to keep white/male/heterosexuals ... dominant.

Everyone is equal ... it seems silly to me to be debating (as you are) your 'right' to segregate and separate peoples (by sex, race, orientation, colour and all the other things you think make you 'better' than others)

But then again it is looking like everyone has attached various things to the meaning of 'political correctness'

My friend ... YOU are the one with a head full of stereotypes .. just re-read your posts .. its all there in black and white.
(have a look at the language and labels you've used)

I think for myself ... just because you go around calling others (who dont share your view) a sheep,
does not mean that you are an individual ... because that is the right-wing thing to do, they rant and shout and for all their words (see above) produce very little evidence/logical argument to backup some out-dated stereotypes ... it aint new, dude.

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I'm not being prejudiced against women, race minorities, or sexual orientations. I've already acknowledged that all those bad things have happened. I can't do anything about it, so I shouldn't have to kiss someone's ass in order to respect them. You do know my best friends are black and puerto rican?
Political Correctness is racist against the people it supposedly protects, because it's set around kissing their ass in order to avoid conflict. You can sit there and say "oh it's not biggoted against white/male/hetero" all you want, but I guarantee the moment i say something that is probably scientifically prooven, that isn't politically correct, such as stating a case of female sexism or black on white racism, or even that females generally have an easier time socialising and being accepted than their male counterparts, your probably gonna say "f**k logic, he's not being politically correct".

Dude!

Should we be worried ?? ...i mean, you keep going on about white/male/heterosexual dominance and 'the real truth'
(whatever that is ... either way all sounds a bit '1940s-dodgy' to me this is 2007 after all)


... take care of yourself ....and others

Dude, hurt your brain alittle bit and allow yourself a headache with words and pictures, it's called thinking. Until then please shut the f**k up and go watch your Mtv.