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04 Feb 2014, 11:47 pm

well I love numbers :heart:, they are interesting and can tell you things . But I have bad spatial skills with car parking. :oops: But I'm not to bad.


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05 Feb 2014, 10:14 am

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....men are not into fashion as much as women. Gay men are into fashion, because they have a womans brain....


Um,
do you have any references for this statement?


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05 Feb 2014, 4:59 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
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....men are not into fashion as much as women. Gay men are into fashion, because they have a womans brain....


Um,
do you have any references for this statement?


Not really just an observation :lol:

You can pretty much make any sort of comment and find links to back it up. Like LKL saying men were not better at maths and bombarded me with links that didn't really say anything conclusive. .

Anyway I google it and found this, so there you go then. :P

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008 ... psychology

Hmmm this is interesting I just found out that lesbian women make more money than straight women. Maybe it's because they make more money because they have a male brain.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/03 ... ight-women
http://jezebel.com/5719826/whats-behind ... an-pay-gap
http://boingboing.net/2010/12/23/lesbia ... ore-m.html

Like a lesbian women will probably not have children(which is a big reason why men will always get paid more than women anyway), but surely because she is a woman and because she is gay she will get will suffer from even more discrimination....right... :o


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06 Feb 2014, 1:19 am

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None of those links really say anything. They are just suggesting that men are better at maths because of a mindset.

Not exactly; they say that men test better at math when a specific mindset is enforced.

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Read this link, it's 2013 so up to date.
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/ ... ath-106756

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The red dots show place where girls are better than boys in maths. Black dots, no real difference. Blue dots where boys are better than maths.

That data shows that the gender difference isn't fixed. Girls' performance is increasing over time.



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06 Feb 2014, 1:21 am

MR_BOGAN wrote:
Like a lesbian women will probably not have children(which is a big reason why men will always get paid more than women anyway), but surely because she is a woman and because she is gay she will get will suffer from even more discrimination....right... :o

Also, lesbian women aren't influenced as much by the negative views or harassment of the men around them.

I think that NT women in particular are *extremely* susceptible to social expectations, even to the degree of self-sabbotaging to meet those expectations. Whether women have more pressure to conform, or women are simply biologically more socially susceptible, I don't know... but I don't think that any of the studies cited prove that women are biologically less good at math or science.



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06 Feb 2014, 4:53 am

LKL wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
None of those links really say anything. They are just suggesting that men are better at maths because of a mindset.

Not exactly; they say that men test better at math when a specific mindset is enforced.

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Read this link, it's 2013 so up to date.
http://www.science20.com/news_articles/ ... ath-106756

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The red dots show place where girls are better than boys in maths. Black dots, no real difference. Blue dots where boys are better than maths.

That data shows that the gender difference isn't fixed. Girls' performance is increasing over time.


I don't think so

2003 girls are worse at maths then they are in 2000.

If you read the link. Now this is interesting It talks about how how boys are more sensitive to their environment.

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Socio-economic and cultural factors are important in that they influence the performance of all students, but boys, as a group, respond more strongly than girls, perhaps due to a biological difference in sensitivity to wider conditions.” For example, in nations with impoverished or violent conditions, boys’ scores tended to fall faster and further than girls. On the other hand, in wealthier, socially stable nations boys’ scores benefitted more than girls.


In 2009 with girls improving so much I think you can relate that to the global financial crisis... :chin:


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06 Feb 2014, 5:18 am

LKL wrote:
MR_BOGAN wrote:
Like a lesbian women will probably not have children(which is a big reason why men will always get paid more than women anyway), but surely because she is a woman and because she is gay she will get will suffer from even more discrimination....right... :o

Also, lesbian women aren't influenced as much by the negative views or harassment of the men around them.

I think that NT women in particular are *extremely* susceptible to social expectations, even to the degree of self-sabbotaging to meet those expectations. Whether women have more pressure to conform, or women are simply biologically more socially susceptible, I don't know... but I don't think that any of the studies cited prove that women are biologically less good at math or science.


Women in general are more social than men. Part of being social is conforming. If you do not conform to you group you don't fit in. So I agree.

That link goes on the assumption that boys are better at math and girls are better at reading. I think it is generally excepted that boys are better at maths. :shrug: Science is very broad, it will be hard to conclude that men are better at science.

To me the differences are biological. With our ancestors, the men would go out and hunt for food so needed spatial skills, so thus that is why we are better at maths. The women would stay home are look after the children that is why they are more social, better at language.


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06 Feb 2014, 4:40 pm

I haven't seen any data that shows that spatial skills translate into better math performance. I have seen data suggesting that playing video games improves spatial skills, and worsens language skills; since most video games are designed and marketed to boys, boys play more video games than girls.

Also, women in the ancestral environment didn't 'stay home and look after the kids,' they were out foraging for plants with the kids strapped to their backs. They might not have roamed as far as the men, but they weren't in some sort of Flintstone-esque parody of a 50's social arrangement. A lot of those ancestors were migratory, so there likely wasn't even a permanent 'home' to stay at.

Interesting point about the boys being more susceptible to impoverishment and social violence; I'd be surprised if that effect was responsible for the 2009 shift towards more equality. The raw data would show whether or not the increase in girls' performance relative to boys' was due to boys performing worse in 2006 and 2009. That's not the goal at all.



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06 Feb 2014, 8:51 pm

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Interesting point about the boys being more susceptible to impoverishment and social violence; I'd be surprised if that effect was responsible for the 2009 shift towards more equality.


If you actually compare girls and boys performance at schools, overall girls are performing better.
If you want to start talking about equality. How is it unequal if girls are performing better? :? Most of the teachers are now women. If anything because of that I'd say schools are more suited to girls and equality exists against boys now.

Google anything and you will see girls performing better at school. :shrug:

This link talks about it, girls are performing better. But you see boys still beat them at maths. :wink: :lol:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 76438.html


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06 Feb 2014, 9:24 pm

In the graphs you provided, there's a shift towards more equality between boys and girls, at math (more black on the graph). That's all I meant. However, if that came because boys are doing worse at math because of the economy, then it's bad for us all.



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07 Feb 2014, 12:28 am

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In the graphs you provided, there's a shift towards more equality between boys and girls, at math (more black on the graph). That's all I meant. However, if that came because boys are doing worse at math because of the economy, then it's bad for us all.


Also they found on the other side boys do better in better conditions.

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On the other hand, in wealthier, socially stable nations boys’ scores benefitted more than girls. This resulted in boys reducing the reading gap and widening the math gap.


So it does seem true. Interesting...:chin:


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23 Feb 2014, 1:18 pm

In that image, the girl still has lower stature than the boy.



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23 Feb 2014, 4:43 pm

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Humans are hypocrites.


well,now you know why I don't like feminist.


By that logic, you should dislike anyone who is hypocritical or displays double standards.

What about feminists who don't shame virgin men?
Or who will date short men?
Or who do exercise caution around strange men (which of course is so much better than men somehow figuring out how not to rape and murder. Most men seem to manage this.)?


or meat eaters who claim to care and have respect for animals or the environment :wink:


Yeah, exactly. I love you deer, you are so delicious!


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05 Mar 2014, 1:55 am

Why do feminists misspell the word woman as womyn or women as womyn?


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