Max Blumenthal interview on Israels double standards

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Come on, you know those Jews are inherently violent and malicious, especially toward us Goyim. Perhaps they fired on that American ship because they were Jealous, for some reason. Covetousness is a Jewish habit, after all, right?

Name a realistic motive.

Hey, you just showed that you can completely ignore a citation and fail to read it at all.

Outright BS. General Yitzhak Rabin had been telling the US Navy that they had a policy of erring, when in doubt, on the side of the security of their own people, meaning that unidentified ships might come under fire. They were in the midst of a war, and it was very difficult to distinguish who was who.

But let's go back to our discussion on motive. Since we know that those Jews tend to be extremely covetous, do you think that they were intent on selling the destroyed ship for salvage?

Come up with a realistic motive.

You distort what was really a chaotic situation for the sake of serving your own prejudices. Somehow, you seem to think that Lebanese Christians were under the absolute control of the IDF, just because the IDF happened to be there. You are faulting the Jews for a massacre that was carried out by Lebanese Christians who were bent on revenge.

Dude, read the full story. You are trying to reduce a very complex situation to a sound-byte that happens to serve your prejudices.

The difference seems to be pretty arbitrary at best.

He intended to kill many people, expecting to pay with his own life. The end game remains the same.

Yes, but what is often conveniently left out is that the IDF, under the command of none other than an officer by the name of Ariel Sharon, parked their vehicles in every exit of the town so as to deliberately prevent the escape of fleeing Palestinians from Lebanese militia.

The Israelis were still culpible to a greater or lesser degree.

You are being an as*hole by trying to make it appear that my opinion of Israel is in any way racist. It is NOT racist. It is every bit about an attack on a US ship that they clearly knew in advance was there and was US.

If you can't be honest, then neither you nor your opinions nor your reprehensible form of trying to create straw men instead of arguing the facts shows that you have nothing at all interesting to say.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident):

The only thing that could point in the direction of a deliberate attack is the fact that Israel was a socialist nation from its formation and well into the 70s. Leftists are no strangers to violence and terror, only beaten by Muslims in terms of terror attacks (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/).

The conclusions resulting from the government inquiries could not have been anything but what they were because the government was determined that Israel be found innocent of attacking a U.S. Navy ship on purpose. Those reports were founded entirely on politics, not on facts.

I do not know anyone who does not detest North Korea, but the way some people here think, it could only be because we are all somehow prejudiced against the North Koreans in spite of the fact that many of us harbor no ill will at all against South Korea and some who detest North Korea really like South Korea.

Assuming that one's dislike of Israel is founded in hatred of the Jewish people is kind of like assuming that anyone who dislikes rodeo does so because they hate cowboys.

I don't know where they get those crazy ideas, but one thing is for sure -- it says nothing about others but everything about their own hatreds. Many people I know would call that reverse racism if they ever thought about it in those terms.

Another conspiracy.

Not a conspiracy at all. Just a case where politics slants the outcome.

That's one of the definitions of a conspiracy.

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You cannot point out a single motive. Really, what were they going to do with a hunk of metal and a bunch of dead people floating in their waters? Why would they then cease the attack, leaving survivors and leaving it afloat?

You have the Israelis, in your mind, attacking a well-armed ally for no reason and then, also for no reason, leaving the ship afloat with a large number of survivors aboard.

Identify a motive.

I have provided very sound evidence debunking this claim, and furthermore, once they realized it was an American ship, they stopped and offered assistance, according to the Ram Ron Report:

http://thelibertyincident.com/docs/israeli/ram-ron-report.pdf

Persimmon, don't take my word for it. Listen to a former Israeli minister.

"Anti-semitic, its a trick, we always use it"

Thomas, you are not going to be taken seriously on this when you have, as your avatar, one of the most brazenly racist and antisemitic images that I have ever seen in my life.

You are not going to actually make valid criticisms of the conservative coalition that currently controls the Israeli government, and you're not going to say anything about Kadima's disturbing swing toward Likud. You probably don't even know anything about Israel's politics because you are not interested.

You do not hate them for any transgressions against the Palestinians, either. Lebanese Christians have actually committed serious crimes, such as the Karantina Massacre, which killed at least one thousand people. Where were you then?

Do you see Lebanese hospitals treating Palestinian patients by the thousands?

The Lebanese are authentically jerks, which is why the PLO killed hundreds of civilians in the Damour Massacre.

What, are you genuinely so stupidly racist against the Jews that you would never believe that the Lebanese could EVER do something so evil if not for the influence of those dirty Jews? Screw you and your mother. The Lebanese Christians are actual savages, dude. You aren't going to decry their actions because you don't actually care about the Palestinians.

Does the Tel al-Zataar massacre just not bother you? The Lebanese Christians killed at least 1500 in that little stunt. Is it somehow okay when you can't point to any Jews in the vicinity you can use as a scapegoat, or are you just so uneducated you weren't even aware of it?

And let me show you the real reason that the State of Israel was actually necessary:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_conte ... ticle=1691

The Arabs were actually murdering them as they were attempting to find refuge from Nazi Germany. Do you not realize this? Are you just stupid?

And the British were hardly any help. The British were trying to restrict Jewish immigration to Mandatory Palestine, long before a Jewish state was declared.

As Holocaust survivors streamed into Mandatory Palestine, the British weren't much help then, either. The British actually herded them into a detainment camp:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/relive-the ... tion-camp/

And the Jews were hardly leaving lives of comfort and luxury in communist-occupied Poland. Violence against the Jews continued after World War II:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

And the violence was not just restricted to Europe. They were being murdered in the Middle East, also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud

Farhud killed 180 Jews.

And you probably know nothing at all about the trials of the Beta Israel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

And how were the Jews supposed to know whether or not the violence against them in Europe would end with the Holocaust? The British were about as helpful to them as a knife in the kidneys.

As the Jews were trying to escape violence and persecution in many parts of the world, again, they were meeting violence in the land of Mandatory Palestine, where they went seeking refuge.

And now, people like you have the nerve to use them as scapegoats for the crimes of others groups? You people are sick.

Thats because you aren't a rational person. You say that my avatar is 'anti-semitic' but you've failed to substantiate this claim.

There is nothing in my avatar that even closely resembles the usual tropes or memes within anti semitism as it is understood by anyone with the slightest grasp of history or politics. Anyone with a reasonable mind, for that matter.

You know what else? You actually do Jewish advocacy a disservice by persuing this line, because when you play the anti semite card for whatever reason, however how trite, arbitrary, or asinine, it serves to rob the very term of any meaning. It loses its relevance; its impact. Its impossible to take you seriously because you become a charicature of your own politics.

So until you substantiate your claims, its 'brazenly' a case of you throwing mud and hoping some of it sticks.

Lebanon is a third world country that probably struggles to maintain its own people. Israel is a miniature developed military industrial complex of its own, not least because of the copius aid and political sanction it recieves from the United States and Europe, but chiefly from the United States. Israel treats Palestinians not because they're the 'good guys' but because its excellent PR. They injure, kill and maim arabs then on the other end when a flow of arabs are allowed to use the only functional hospitals in Jewish territory (because the arab run hospitals are either bombed or blocked off) all of a sudden, TV cameras show up and all of a sudden Israel is spun as the 'good guys'. They are anything but, it is a well oiled, machiavellian PR machine.


No, I believe that anti islamic sentiment exists not just in the west and Israel, but also in other arab countries. The Lebanese culprits behind the Sabra and Shatilla massacres weren't muslim, they were Christian falangist fascists.

I decry the Israels over Sabra because of their culpibility and sanction. Without their role, the Palestinians could have escaped and the death toll would be nowhere near what it was.

The problem with dealing with a group like Hamas is that they tend to launch their attacks from crowded civilian centers, such as Shejaiya:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28399287

The thing is, Hamas WANTS civilian casualties because they know they can point shaking fingers at Israel as a scapegoat. They are using human beings as shields, and they know very well what they are doing.

As western antisemites continue to politically undermine the efforts of dovish parties, like the Israeli Labor Party, to retake political control in the Knesset, a right-wing coalition government continues to call the shots in Israeli military operations, and civilian casualties are higher than ever.

The thing is, people in the west who overtly state concern over Palestinian deaths have a tendency to ignore the actual political landscape in Israel. Instead, they paint the entirety of Israel with the same brush.

Many of us who are supporters of Israel are not supporters of the excessive tactics of Netanyahu's government. Those of us who support the Israeli left actually resent being associated with them. Netanyahu's tactics are far too violent, and he does not make any real efforts at trying to end the violence.

http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=21953

Sadly, the political landscape is unlikely to change anytime soon. The Israeli left is currently badly crippled, and they are receiving no external moral support at all. Nobody outside Israel cares.

Oh, so you excuse them BECAUSE they are savages, whereas I think that the fact that they live and behave like savages is inexcusable in itself.

A little bit expensive for PR.

And Christianity and Islam are both crappy and violent religions. I say have both of them outlawed, and declare them to be mental illnesses curable by lobotomy.

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