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22 Mar 2015, 5:53 pm

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It's pretty simple: if you have a valid disability (ASD) counts, you should get the support when you need it. Like I currently do.

However, in my province drug addiction is also a disability - so they give drug addicts money with no strings attached, it's a stupid idea, I don't know what Idiot was too stupid to see the problem... But I guess since it's a "disability" - they must give them the support, but it just negates people with real disabilities.


Drug addiction can be disabling and based on what I have read and learned in psychology/sociology it is more of a health issue than a character flaw issue.....so yes help should be available, But not so sure free money with no strings attached is a good solution though. In my state, not sure if its the same for them all but a lot of times people with drug addiction might have disability money go to someone else more 'competent'...however if someone has an addiction problem and is going to treatment then it might be decided they don't need a payee to receive disability, it kind of goes case by case I guess.


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22 Mar 2015, 5:56 pm

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It probably would but whoever being a logical thinker, It's hard not to. I could also find an animal abuser, bully, terroist etc... then write out plans to mruder them, make it obvious it was my intention and then murder them to make sure I get a life long prisons sentence instead of being on the streets.

why would you consider prison to be preferable to the outside?


Place to live, meals, showers, - do homeless people have that?



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22 Mar 2015, 5:59 pm

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I guess addiction could happen to just about anybody, and it is this vulnerability to misfortune that is the ethical underpinning of charity in whatever form, including disability pensions.


True but to be addicted to a drug, you must've made the choice to use it first at least once. None of us choose to be autistic, did we?


Choosing to take a drug, is hardly the same thing as choosing to have an addiction...taking substances is a human behavior, so its better to address the issue realistically rather than hold onto some mythical moral high ground people are supposed to live up to that includes never even thinking about experimenting with so much as a cigarette. Hell if someone gets maimed in a car wreck bad enough to be unable to work....it could be said they chose to get into the car and drive, but that hardly negates the fact that person still needs help. Also one big barrier to people having help with drug addiction or being willing to seek out help is all the stigma and blame...when really its not so simple as 'oh they should have known better' and also everyone makes mistakes.

People don't choose to have autism, be severely physically injured, or become addicted to substances.


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22 Mar 2015, 6:03 pm

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I would bet good money, that many folk who became addicted to a painkilling drug [happens all the time, including to moi :oops: ] would not have chosen that result, I sure didn't. I would much rather have not have the injury needing pain relief in the first place.


I was talking marijuana, coke, heroine. Not medical rugs. My bad.

On a relate dnote, if I don't get a paying enough job, and there's no more disability pension - there's painless ways of suicide, if my family doesn't take care of me. Though I'm pretty sure they will - after my parents die either my brother or my cousins.


A lot of times heroin addiction starts from medically prescribed opiate pain killers.....for instance person gets injured, is prescribed opiates, gets addicted, prescription runs out/they can't get more, well they may be able to find heroin on the streets or buy pills if they find a source to illegally acquire them.

Also depending on where you live Marijuana is considered a medical drug...also its not potentially deadly like opiates, not to say there is no use for opiates but they are obviously dangerous.


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22 Mar 2015, 6:13 pm

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being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

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auntblabby wrote:
I would bet good money, that many folk who became addicted to a painkilling drug [happens all the time, including to moi :oops: ] would not have chosen that result, I sure didn't. I would much rather have not have the injury needing pain relief in the first place.


I was talking marijuana, coke, heroine. Not medical rugs. My bad.

On a relate dnote, if I don't get a paying enough job, and there's no more disability pension - there's painless ways of suicide, if my family doesn't take care of me. Though I'm pretty sure they will - after my parents die either my brother or my cousins.


A lot of times heroin addiction starts from medically prescribed opiate pain killers.....for instance person gets injured, is prescribed opiates, gets addicted, prescription runs out/they can't get more, well they may be able to find heroin on the streets or buy pills if they find a source to illegally acquire them.

Also depending on where you live Marijuana is considered a medical drug...also its not potentially deadly like opiates, not to say there is no use for opiates but they are obviously dangerous.


The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.



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22 Mar 2015, 6:18 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
^^^
being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

isn't Canada the land of "all for one and one for all"?



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22 Mar 2015, 6:21 pm

auntblabby wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

isn't Canada the land of "all for one and one for all"?


Essentially, though sometimes our politicians like to forget that, like when premier Alison Redford decided to blow all of that money on private jets. :P



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22 Mar 2015, 6:25 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
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being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

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auntblabby wrote:
I would bet good money, that many folk who became addicted to a painkilling drug [happens all the time, including to moi :oops: ] would not have chosen that result, I sure didn't. I would much rather have not have the injury needing pain relief in the first place.


I was talking marijuana, coke, heroine. Not medical rugs. My bad.

On a relate dnote, if I don't get a paying enough job, and there's no more disability pension - there's painless ways of suicide, if my family doesn't take care of me. Though I'm pretty sure they will - after my parents die either my brother or my cousins.


A lot of times heroin addiction starts from medically prescribed opiate pain killers.....for instance person gets injured, is prescribed opiates, gets addicted, prescription runs out/they can't get more, well they may be able to find heroin on the streets or buy pills if they find a source to illegally acquire them.

Also depending on where you live Marijuana is considered a medical drug...also its not potentially deadly like opiates, not to say there is no use for opiates but they are obviously dangerous.


The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


I'd love to live in Alberta, would they let me move there, if they knew I had autism and may need the disability support?



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22 Mar 2015, 7:06 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


Not to mention people who profit from prisons.


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22 Mar 2015, 7:12 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


Not to mention people who profit from prisons.


Addiction is complex. Simplistic explanations ignore the many different factors that contribute to the path of addiction. Some thinkers have argued that Western society itself is a web of addictions - not just to drugs. How many are addicted to coffee? Alcohol? Shopping? Gambling? The Internet? Pornography? and so on... there are process addictions and substance addictions. You can argue simplistically that they are all simply a matter of making a choice at the start. However much bigger cultural factors are shaping the environment in which addiction takes place. Focusing on addicts who use illegal drugs and ignoring addicts who are addicted to legal drugs (like alcohol) is a form of cultural hypocrisy which is entrenched in the culture.



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22 Mar 2015, 7:13 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


Not to mention people who profit from prisons.


True.


to B19: I don't think that porn addiction is a real thing. I usually watch porn multiple times a day, but I didn't in the past 2 days because of circumstances....



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22 Mar 2015, 8:38 pm

Canadian1911 wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
^^^
being a Canadian is the gift that keeps on giving :wtg:


We have it pretty good here, especially in Alberta. I mean, I like BC's weather and scenery more, but Alberta has the best healthcare system of all the provinces, and probably the best social programs overall. We're the richest province in Canada, and it's often been said that we could make it on our own, but then we'd be landlocked, and really, the rest of Canada depends on us. :P

Sweetleaf wrote:
Canadian1911 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
I would bet good money, that many folk who became addicted to a painkilling drug [happens all the time, including to moi :oops: ] would not have chosen that result, I sure didn't. I would much rather have not have the injury needing pain relief in the first place.


I was talking marijuana, coke, heroine. Not medical rugs. My bad.

On a relate dnote, if I don't get a paying enough job, and there's no more disability pension - there's painless ways of suicide, if my family doesn't take care of me. Though I'm pretty sure they will - after my parents die either my brother or my cousins.


A lot of times heroin addiction starts from medically prescribed opiate pain killers.....for instance person gets injured, is prescribed opiates, gets addicted, prescription runs out/they can't get more, well they may be able to find heroin on the streets or buy pills if they find a source to illegally acquire them.

Also depending on where you live Marijuana is considered a medical drug...also its not potentially deadly like opiates, not to say there is no use for opiates but they are obviously dangerous.


The way I see it, addiction is a disease, and the drug use that leads to addiction is a symptom of other problems, whether they be mental health issues, socioeconomic factors, etc. The war on drugs is doing nothing but putting otherwise innocent people in jail, and putting money in the pockets of drug lords and gangsters. I say legalize ALL drugs, so addicts can get the help they need without legal persecution, and the cartels start going out of business.


I'd love to live in Alberta, would they let me move there, if they knew I had autism and may need the disability support?


Possibly. What you would have to do is sign up for AiSH, and provide proof of your disability. I signed up after being assessed by a neuropsychologist, and having it recommended to me. If you want, PM me and we can talk about the process.



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22 Mar 2015, 8:50 pm

I don't have time to read all the posts, so I apologize if I am repeating something someone else said.

When it gets down to it, everyone NEEDS help in one way or another to MAXIMIZE their varying abilities. Most of us in the US have benefited from the help of a free public education. Some need additional help in order to maximize what one can do. Sometimes, the maximum a person can do is not enough to support him/herself. I don't have a problem with the government providing continued help in these situations.

If people are *purposefully* not attempting to maximize their capabilities, then they don't deserve help. But, we can't just look at someone and know whether or not s/he is being lazy. That is something for doctors, therapists, and the like to figure out.

Sometimes circumstances create limitations on a persons ability to "maximize." So, we need to help get rid of those obstacles.

Anything we can do to help a willing person to "be all he can be" is a good thing.



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22 Mar 2015, 8:58 pm

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Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


F*** NO!! !! Every time the Government tends to 'help' they wind up really f***ing things up. Every time the Government gets bigger and more intricate, the more unwieldy and problematic it becomes, and this only mires once free people in regulations, inconcgruent policies and red tape. --I need Government help and case management like I need a hole in my head.

To draw a quick comparison of this, look at all of the 'help' the US Government gav the Native Americans, and how Native American tribes have gone from being sovereign nations to groups of people killing themselves off thanks to the welfare subsistance handouts given to them. --I will NOT subject myself to this type of 'help'. :evil:


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22 Mar 2015, 9:03 pm

^^^
i'll take what help you don't want, then.



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22 Mar 2015, 9:04 pm

Fogman wrote:
K_Kelly wrote:
Do you believe that the government should "help" people with Aspergers? I find the government trying to "help" any minority offensive. It makes me feel somehow lower.


F*** NO!! ! ! Every time the Government tends to 'help' they wind up really f***ing things up. Every time the Government gets bigger and more intricate, the more unwieldy and problematic it becomes, and this only mires once free people in regulations, inconcgruent policies and red tape. --I need Government help and case management like I need a hole in my head.

To draw a quick comparison of this, look at all of the 'help' the US Government gav the Native Americans, and how Native American tribes have gone from being sovereign nations to groups of people killing themselves off thanks to the welfare subsistance handouts given to them. --I will NOT subject myself to this type of 'help'. :evil:


Move to Canada, it's good here.