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why can't we leave you alone? because there are ignorant religious types in positions of power that hold toxic beliefs and are actively dragging everyone else backwards. that's why.

I think the quality of "not used to having knowledge be in flux" can be expanded beyond "religious people." Also, this statement seems to indicate a dichotomy between "religious people" and "scientists", when there are plenty of religious scientists. So are those people used to knowledge being in flux, or not?

You've made too many broad and misleading, at best, statements for me to address them again. We atheists have no desire to infringe on Christians or kill them. We simply require you to follow the law and the Constitution. If you did that and kept religion out of politics, there would be no issues between us. You and yours refuse to do so...

The end.

Well said...

They can't. But if they are bakers, they can refuse to put an anti-gay slogan on a cake. You may be referencing this case:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/06/azucar-bakery-anti-gay-message_n_7011202.html



It doesn't say the baker was gay (although it does say she was Catholic and I must note this does not rule out gay, it just doesn't say it). But this wasn't a refusal of service. It was a refusal to make a cake with a derogatory message. If the customer had ordered a cake with no such message and been refused service on the basis of an anti-gay t shirt or similar signifier, that would have been legal discrimination. But the customer wasn't refused service of the same cakes that get sold to everybody else. They were refused a custom cake with a derogatory message.

Businesses are allowed to discriminate (some restaurants have dress codes) but the law says they must apply that discrimination uniformly to all customers. If the anti-gay customer had been refused the same cake sold to somebody else, that would be illegal. But that's not what happened.

But that is what happened in the bakery brouhaha that started it all.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/04/306447-2-tough-weekend-controversial-christian-bakery-receives-135000-fine-gofundme-account-canceled/

This baker was fined because she refused to sell a lesbian couple a wedding cake, period. It wasn't that the cake would have had pro-gay icing messages (corollary to anti-gay icing messages). It was the same wedding cake she sold to countless hetero couples. That is why she got fined. As Azucar bakery would have been fined if they had refused the anti gay guy the exact same cake they had sold to others.



It's not ok. And if they refuse to sell you what they just sold to somebody else once they find out you are a gun owner, you have a discrimination case against them. However, they do have the right to not allow guns in their store.



the bad old days

What the law says is that whatever sales restrictions you put on must be applied uniformly. For instance, some places won't sell spray paint to anyone under a certain age so as to combat graffitti tagging. Is this legal. It is so long as they don't sell to anybody who fits their description. If they start picking and choosing based on who looks like a tagger rather than on age, then it's discrimination.


Not about biology they wouldn't. If you remove evolution from schools, you remove biology, which is dependent on it.

Pope Francis


There is nothing particularly atheistic about evolution. The Christians who accept it undoubtedly outnumber the atheists.

WHAT????????

Where did that come from? What atheists have threatened genocide, or even murder, of religious people?

never said i rally agasint it. and you know its funny but you can say you can go to plan parent hood and we'll pay for abc, but not abortions. its ont a pay for all or nothing thing.

so can i kick people wearing rainbow shirts out, or people with black boots, or people with earnings. wheres the limit. its banning anyone on the right ok, but anyone on the left can do as they want. that's wrong. i own guns I carry a gun its my right to. its part of who I am. so its discriminating.

yes it would. evolution is a tiny part of it. it has nothing to do with chemistry, gravity, etc. most people don't' need biology. you act like all of education is all about evolution and you could jsut remove all the others stuff and just teach evolution and people would be smart but dont' teach that one tiny little part of science and people would be stupid idiots and die.

so only atheists should own businesses ? well where will Christians shop? you're being bigoted. its their business. let them choose if it goes out of business so bet it if Christians with similar views support it so be it. let people be as they want or do it equal so go fine that hairdresser for refusing to serve Christians. either politics/relgioius/gayissues/black issues have no place in business or they all do. so a black person can't refuse to serve a kkk member dressed in his robbs. either its equal and all a cross the board or anyone can do it. you can't pick the ones you like. the government can't force people to all be one religious that was what it was meant no state religious that you either are part of or get kicked out or killed. that people can be in whatever religion they want or not be in one without the government making them. making people sin is not religious freedom. go by the cake from the baker down the street who isn't christian. simple as that. but no its make all Christians close up shop and only atheist can own businesses and they can tell chrisans no they won't serve them because that's ok.





new york doesn't want guns so its ok they ban them all, well democracy works the other way so if all the people in indiana think gay marriage is wrong then ? or shold it work both ways? should both rights be protected?

i doubt that law passed. just like the law in congress to allow obama to run and be president forever is proposed each year and deosnt pass. theres atheists in gov too that push their agenda. quit playing as if your side is the victim and never do anything wrong.

its not dragging people backwards just cause you disagree with religious beliefs. I think everyone in gov should be evicted from this nation. none of them give a s**t about the people. its all about making money and their personal agendas. only thing is I don't hold some biased view that its only the republicans and the democrats are all angels. or that all atheist are good and kind and religious people are all horrible and mean. people are never so easily labeled.

you may not but many atheists do.
you are not atheism? you are one singular artiest. you don't speak for them all nor can you. just like the super Christians dont' speak for all Christians as you seem to think we are all the same and all stupid.

that's not what the law says. it doesn't say Christians can be in gov or be in politics. politics is representing your interests. well Christians like atheists have interests they want to represent. so tough deal with it. the atheists i met realize that we won't be converted so they want to kill us. you still think we'll be converted that one day all religions will be converted to atheism.but they won't

if we kept out of politics all religions would be banned like in china.


you think you're way is superior to ours and so attack us for it. pretty clear to that meaning.

many thinks in life come down to believing you are right and others are wrong. there's no clean cut right/wrong. both sides think they are right, both sides think the other is wrong. so what is the point of trying to convince them. there ins't any it just makes both sides feel hurt and angry. why not just let each other think how they want and have neither side pushed by the government. why don't you all go live in china the atheist paradise.

see op its pointless. any thread about religion will immediately be attacked by atheists here. then they make other threads attacking religion. doesn't sound very open minded and accepting of others beliefs to me. how many threads are started attacking atheism? 0-1? why is it not ok for us to talk about our beliefs here without being attacked?

i think wp needs a religious sub forum where any atheist posts are deleted. my beliefs are just as valid as anyone else's but I have no place here to talk to others who share it safety.

people i've met in person . people on facebook, youtube, news sites comment sections etc.

...Well.........

evolution says we came from mold that turned into fish that turned into monkeis that turned inot people. Christians says we were made as is. Christians believe in micro evolution small changes that happen over time. not macro evolution which is completely changing from one thing to a new thing. ei that if you lived on a tree all your life your future grand kids would grow wings.

biology could idk be a otpion like chemistry is. everyone doesn't take chemistry only those with big interest in science careers and great grades do. so why ont have evolution be an option? why not let Christians op out of learning it? or other religions I doubt Muslims and jews want to learn it either. there probably some no religious people who don't' too. why not give them the freedom to choose not to learn that one part.

because you all think you're 100% right and we must learn(ie be converted to it) sex education is an option. why can't evolution be.

I'm done though. there's really no point in talking with atheists.just know you're just as bad as the christians you hate so much. you are both guilty of the same stuff. I get attacked by both of you and I'm freaking tired of it.

you can put your gun down, you can't remove a part of your brain quite as easily. this is a stupid comparison you're pulling out here.obvious strawman is obvious. I said that education wouldn't be accurate without the whole picture, not that leaving it out makes people stupid.and you're being willfully stupid and putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that only atheists should own businesses.again, I said nothing about politics/human rights issues, please stop with your BS strawmenhow is this a issue of religion?guns are not religion, religion is not human rights. please stop with the lazy comparisons.it did pass please point out where I claimed that. (go on, i'll wait)

No it doesn't. please learn what you're talking about, we SHARE A COMMON ANCESTOR with primates. this is not the same as evolving from primates.micro-evolution leads to macro-evolution, this is nonsense.because their education would be incomplete, that's why.sex ed should be mandatory just like science is.

Is it any wonder you get attacked considering the way you throw out crappy strawmen at top speed?

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You're right. "Religious people" is wayyyy too broad a category and the tolerance for knowledge flux is a spectrum. Religious scientists are at the 'more tolerant' end for sure. The whole "God of the gaps" concept wouldn't be possible without that tolerance. But at the other end of the spectrum, you never see fundamentalists (of any religion) making God of the gaps arguments. For them, the knowledge really is intended to be unchangeable and attempts to change it are literal heresy.

you mean like how gays could dress and act like straight people in public? I have a part in my brain that makes me like guns. I am expected to when in public act like I don't like guns and don't own them I have to be a closet gun owner. because like how people thought gays were bad, now adays people think gun owners are all bad and murders.

ignored the rest of your post as thers no point in reading it. in fact from no on I'm going to ignor all your posts. you're are anti me and everything I think and beleive in so its not point in subjecting myself to that which hurts me.