11 Feb 2021, 3:24 pm
nadroJ wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hitler was a product of his environment. If he was growing up today it would be very unlikely he would be anything dangerous.
So no killing babies
So no killing babies
No - H*tler and other fascists in history was a neurotic physcopath (science says so) and just a d*ck - H*tler was born with the genetic and brain abnormalities that'd lead him to do them things but that shouldn't have given him a free pass to do the things did. He could have rather - became a hippy practitioner or turned to religion to help himself - the world is rich in light, beauty and hope - for everyone.
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But weather to kill babies - No - If I had a time machine and the confidence - I'd go to H*tler's house and become his routine shaman - cure him from his demons through natures medicines and the new future music, teach H*tler meditation - show that even behind any evil man - there is a pure good heart and soul. We are all human after all - monkey's were never neurotic physcopath - everyone, even f*cked up people like dat H*tler, Putin and the rest of fascist web chains pig tw*ts in the present that seems just never stop or never dies off through time unfortunately - had/have a pure heart and soul behind the evil. They just need turn to Gods lights.
'Half' the population of the world could qualify as having sociopathic tendencies, given the appropriate situation.
Human psychology is an abomination after all.
"Blame the evolutionary process."
If it wasn't Hitler, given the same anarchistic environment, there would have been another a$$hole taking his place, in all probability.
Would you kill that one also?
11 Feb 2021, 3:30 pm
I tend to agree, It comes down to the nature Vs nurture debate. If he was born to progressive leftist parents I am sure would be a young Greta Thunberg 
11 Feb 2021, 3:30 pm
11 Feb 2021, 4:06 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
No. As terrible as that sounds, I would not wish to alter history so fundamentally.
11 Feb 2021, 4:09 pm
11 Feb 2021, 8:15 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Hitler was a product of his environment. If he was growing up today it would be very unlikely he would be anything dangerous.
So no killing babies
So no killing babies
Nonsense. Makes no sense to assume that a person of Hitler's personality couldnt appear today.
Sociopathic and psychopathic individuals appear in every generation. Changes in child rearing doesnt change that fact. And not everyone in Hitler's generation was Hitler.
Further- there is some truth to (what you seemed to be) saying that the modern world is more vigilant and wary of the rise of Hitler types than it was in Hitler's time. But thats because we now have Hitler as an example to watch out for. If you had plugged the baby Hitler with a 9mm in his cradle...then ...MAYBE we wouldnt have had the Third Reich, but we wouldnt have Hitler as an example to watch out for today either. That part of what you're saying is a paradox.
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11 Feb 2021, 8:25 pm
11 Feb 2021, 10:19 pm
Mikah wrote:
NaturalEntity wrote:
No. As terrible as that sounds, I would not wish to alter history so fundamentally.
The sad irony is that it probably wouldn't alter much. Events create leaders much more than leaders create events. If it wasn't him, it would have been someone else.
I wish I had said that.
Yep, there is never a shortage of A-holes in the world.
11 Feb 2021, 10:27 pm
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11 Feb 2021, 10:29 pm
11 Feb 2021, 10:31 pm
naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hitler was a product of his environment. If he was growing up today it would be very unlikely he would be anything dangerous.
So no killing babies
So no killing babies
Nonsense. Makes no sense to assume that a person of Hitler's personality couldnt appear today.
Sociopathic and psychopathic individuals appear in every generation. Changes in child rearing doesnt change that fact. And not everyone in Hitler's generation was Hitler.
Based on my research:
Psychopaths are born.
Sociopaths are made.
The environment/life-experience is responsible for making *sociopaths*
11 Feb 2021, 10:37 pm
NaturalEntity wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
No. As terrible as that sounds, I would not wish to alter history so fundamentally.
I have no qualms about changing history/the-timeline.
I agree with Janeway.
Besides, all that is done is to create another dimension with a different history.
People are so precious for no good reason, all so often.
12 Feb 2021, 2:14 am
naturalplastic wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hitler was a product of his environment. If he was growing up today it would be very unlikely he would be anything dangerous.
So no killing babies
So no killing babies
Nonsense. Makes no sense to assume that a person of Hitler's personality couldnt appear today.
.
Sorry I think I have misinterpreted the meaning of this thread - I thought it was if Hitler was hypothetically reborn now.
A hypothetical situation could be like the "Boys from Brazil" movie where Hitler survived the war and his blood/tissue was collected and cloned to make new baby Hitlers.
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12 Feb 2021, 8:17 am
Pepe wrote:
nadroJ wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Hitler was a product of his environment. If he was growing up today it would be very unlikely he would be anything dangerous.
So no killing babies
So no killing babies
No - H*tler and other fascists in history was a neurotic physcopath (science says so) and just a d*ck - H*tler was born with the genetic and brain abnormalities that'd lead him to do them things but that shouldn't have given him a free pass to do the things did. He could have rather - became a hippy practitioner or turned to religion to help himself - the world is rich in light, beauty and hope - for everyone.
______________________________________________________________________________________________
But weather to kill babies - No - If I had a time machine and the confidence - I'd go to H*tler's house and become his routine shaman - cure him from his demons through natures medicines and the new future music, teach H*tler meditation - show that even behind any evil man - there is a pure good heart and soul. We are all human after all - monkey's were never neurotic physcopath - everyone, even f*cked up people like dat H*tler, Putin and the rest of fascist web chains pig tw*ts in the present that seems just never stop or never dies off through time unfortunately - had/have a pure heart and soul behind the evil. They just need turn to Gods lights.
'Half' the population of the world could qualify as having sociopathic tendencies, given the appropriate situation.
Human psychology is an abomination after all.
"Blame the evolutionary process."
If it wasn't Hitler, given the same anarchistic environment, there would have been another a$$hole taking his place, in all probability.
Would you kill that one also?
Through God's universal creation - the maintenance of cosmic harmony, which is required for the preservation of creation and man kind, which can be unkind, murder would detract God’s cosmic harmony - (God being the universal creator and consciousness, whom existed even before and after the very infinite amount of alternate universe's before this one) - in that it damages an aspect of justice that is related to the very heart of human beings: social peace and harmony and love. Social morality is achieved through protection of the weak, not murder, murder is the ultimate act of oppression of the weak, constitutes in the disruption of God’s cosmic harmony.
No I would not kill 'H*tler replica', but then again, The question is so endlessly difficult to answer, because h*tler and his ants killed a lot of people - How else do I make clear that murder is wrong in so many ways, without "blaming the evolutionary process". Murder against ones own species is against the very laws of the universe, God and mother earths peaceful tranquillity she gifted mankind and animals for us, through infinite possibilities of existence.
12 Feb 2021, 11:48 am
12 Feb 2021, 1:30 pm
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