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21 Apr 2016, 8:24 am

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I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


Yes- the two major parties kinda swapped places over time. Both ideologically and regionally.

The Grand Old Party (actually the younger of the two) was founded for the sole purpose of abolishing slavery(the ultimate progressive cause of the time) in the 1850's.

When the GOP finally got its first man into the Oval Office (Lincoln) it scared the slave owning south into secession. Lincoln crushed the south in the war, but was the South's best and most forgiving friend after the war. But because Booth shot him he wasnt there to restrain the vengeful "Radical Republicans" from exacting vengeful policies on the South during Reconstruction. So White Southerns became embittered against the GOP.

The first iteration of the KKK was formed in the South during this post civil war reconstruction period. Hense their anti Republican attitude.

Meanwhile in the North the GOP became the party of business and management. So northern Democrats fell into the role of being the party of the rising labor movement in the labor vs managment struggles of the industrialzing north.

After World War Two the two parties settled into a stable forms: the smaller but unified pro business party (GOP)- the Dems. being the larger clumsy coalition between northern labor unionists and New Dealers (on one hand), and Southern arch conservative segregationists on the other hand.

When Black Civil Rights Movement erupted in post war America its best ally was the Democratic Party- often recruiting individual GOP pols on its side- against the worst enemy of the Black Civil Rights movement-which was-the Democratic Party!

The Democratic Party remained this wacky combination of northern liberals and southern arch conservatives until the 1994 off year election under Clinton-when both Southern White voters-and the pols they voted for- defected en mass from the Democratic Party to the GOP.

Now both parties are about the same size and have about the same degree of unity/disunity.

Today people who would have been southern Democrats only a generation ago, are now in the GOP.

Ironically the party of Lincoln is now largely the party of Southern Whites.



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21 Apr 2016, 9:16 am

These parties have always been broad changing coalitions, people supported and didn't support the abolition of slavery for lots of reasons as it was the predominant issue of the time but probably the most important determining factor was religion which the US has gone into periods religious revival called the first/second/third "Great Awakenings" with the abolition and women's rights movement mainly being born out of the second one in the early 1800s. Quakers were also very anti-slavery, William Penn and Benjamin Franklin were instrumental to creating our form of government. You can't really parallel the parties to the 19th century counterparts. Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson were Democrats but now they're shunned from the party which they'd probably call for a revolution against. Jackson can finally rest, he's off that god damned Federal Reserve note.



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21 Apr 2016, 1:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


The operative word is "were." Back in the 19th and early and mid 20th centuries, the Democrats, particularly in the south, had been extremely conservative, while the Republicans represented the radical left. Because of animosity left following the Civil War, white southerners saw the Republicans as the cause of their defeat, and as race traitors. Hence, the KKK sought to terrorize Republicans involved in Reconstruction, who they labeled as carpet baggers, as well as the Pro-Union white southerners, who they called scallywags. With FDR's New Deal, the northern Democrats began moving to the left, while southern Democrats remained right wing. With the advent of civil rights for African Americans, which was supported by both northern Democrats and moderate Republicans, white southern Democrats became increasingly estranged, some like Strom Thurmond even attempting to form their own Dixiecrat party. At the same time, the Republican Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, while himself not personally racist, had the libertarian notion in his head that the federal government had no right to tell the states what to do, even if it involved assuring American citizens their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Setting the tone for the two parties ever after, white southern Democrats - including racists like the KKK - began switching parties as they were replaced by now voting black southern Democrats, as as northern Democrats became the liberal party. Finally, Ronald Reagan captured the white southern vote for the Republican party with coded and not so coded rhetoric embracing the racial prejudice of many white southerners. That's not to say that all white southerners are racists, or that all northerners are free of racial hate, but this is a synopsis of how the current political situation evolved.


I must make a correction for an unintentional error. I unintentionally seem to have stated that Strom Thurmond and Barry Goldwater were running for the White House in the same year, and that clearly is not correct. Sorry for my clumsy mistake. :oops:


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21 Apr 2016, 1:56 pm

Jackson never should have been on a bill.The Indian removal act was not something that Americans should be proud of.That old devil Grant shouldn't be on a bill either.


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21 Apr 2016, 2:19 pm

Very confusing, just swap your parties' names today to become more aligned with the related ideologies in history:P



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30 Apr 2016, 5:03 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


The operative word is "were." Back in the 19th and early and mid 20th centuries, the Democrats, particularly in the south, had been extremely conservative, while the Republicans represented the radical left. Because of animosity left following the Civil War, white southerners saw the Republicans as the cause of their defeat, and as race traitors. Hence, the KKK sought to terrorize Republicans involved in Reconstruction, who they labeled as carpet baggers, as well as the Pro-Union white southerners, who they called scallywags. With FDR's New Deal, the northern Democrats began moving to the left, while southern Democrats remained right wing. With the advent of civil rights for African Americans, which was supported by both northern Democrats and moderate Republicans, white southern Democrats became increasingly estranged, some like Strom Thurmond even attempting to form their own Dixiecrat party. At the same time, the Republican Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, while himself not personally racist, had the libertarian notion in his head that the federal government had no right to tell the states what to do, even if it involved assuring American citizens their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Setting the tone for the two parties ever after, white southern Democrats - including racists like the KKK - began switching parties as they were replaced by now voting black southern Democrats, as as northern Democrats became the liberal party. Finally, Ronald Reagan captured the white southern vote for the Republican party with coded and not so coded rhetoric embracing the racial prejudice of many white southerners. That's not to say that all white southerners are racists, or that all northerners are free of racial hate, but this is a synopsis of how the current political situation evolved.


Why do you support Israel but not the KKK?


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30 Apr 2016, 6:59 pm

I read today where the Imperial Wizard of the KKK has endorsed Trump. I love it!


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30 Apr 2016, 7:13 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


The operative word is "were." Back in the 19th and early and mid 20th centuries, the Democrats, particularly in the south, had been extremely conservative, while the Republicans represented the radical left. Because of animosity left following the Civil War, white southerners saw the Republicans as the cause of their defeat, and as race traitors. Hence, the KKK sought to terrorize Republicans involved in Reconstruction, who they labeled as carpet baggers, as well as the Pro-Union white southerners, who they called scallywags. With FDR's New Deal, the northern Democrats began moving to the left, while southern Democrats remained right wing. With the advent of civil rights for African Americans, which was supported by both northern Democrats and moderate Republicans, white southern Democrats became increasingly estranged, some like Strom Thurmond even attempting to form their own Dixiecrat party. At the same time, the Republican Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, while himself not personally racist, had the libertarian notion in his head that the federal government had no right to tell the states what to do, even if it involved assuring American citizens their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Setting the tone for the two parties ever after, white southern Democrats - including racists like the KKK - began switching parties as they were replaced by now voting black southern Democrats, as as northern Democrats became the liberal party. Finally, Ronald Reagan captured the white southern vote for the Republican party with coded and not so coded rhetoric embracing the racial prejudice of many white southerners. That's not to say that all white southerners are racists, or that all northerners are free of racial hate, but this is a synopsis of how the current political situation evolved.


Why do you support Israel but not the KKK?


Do you honestly think there's a valid comparison between the two?


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14 May 2016, 7:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
I was very surprised today to learn that KKK were historically Democrats and extremely anti-Republicans.


The operative word is "were." Back in the 19th and early and mid 20th centuries, the Democrats, particularly in the south, had been extremely conservative, while the Republicans represented the radical left. Because of animosity left following the Civil War, white southerners saw the Republicans as the cause of their defeat, and as race traitors. Hence, the KKK sought to terrorize Republicans involved in Reconstruction, who they labeled as carpet baggers, as well as the Pro-Union white southerners, who they called scallywags. With FDR's New Deal, the northern Democrats began moving to the left, while southern Democrats remained right wing. With the advent of civil rights for African Americans, which was supported by both northern Democrats and moderate Republicans, white southern Democrats became increasingly estranged, some like Strom Thurmond even attempting to form their own Dixiecrat party. At the same time, the Republican Presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, while himself not personally racist, had the libertarian notion in his head that the federal government had no right to tell the states what to do, even if it involved assuring American citizens their constitutionally guaranteed rights. Setting the tone for the two parties ever after, white southern Democrats - including racists like the KKK - began switching parties as they were replaced by now voting black southern Democrats, as as northern Democrats became the liberal party. Finally, Ronald Reagan captured the white southern vote for the Republican party with coded and not so coded rhetoric embracing the racial prejudice of many white southerners. That's not to say that all white southerners are racists, or that all northerners are free of racial hate, but this is a synopsis of how the current political situation evolved.


Why do you support Israel but not the KKK?


Do you honestly think there's a valid comparison between the two?



Not really no. It's unfair on the KKK to make any kind of comparison.


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