The problem of SJWs

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I certainly will, thanks

Personally I wouldn't say I'm whining, but looking to have an informal debate about a subject that interests me, simply because that's something I enjoy doing. But call it what you like. Whether or not I'm whining makes no difference on whether or not the thing I'm whining about is a legitimate concern.

Besides, if you think I'm just a whiny keyboard warrior venting my rage on the internet, why even respond? You don't seem to care about what I think, nor are you even trying to convince me I'm wrong. Instead, you seem to be trying to annoy me, by telling me how butthurt I am and whatnot.

If you think I'm wrong, I would like to hear specifically what and why. I won't lose any sleep if you don't, but that's why I'm here: to put my ideas out there, and get other people's perspectives on the subject, so I might learn something that I was previously unaware of, and others might learn some new things from me. I just want to have a conversation, not a battle. I have already learned some new things from the responses I've gotten previously, yours included. But now you aren't even talking about the original subject matter. And I really don't care what your opinion of my behaviour is, seeing as you know very little if anything about me, other than the few opinions I've stated here.

If you don't like what I'm saying, but have no relevant criticism or opinions on the matter that you feel like sharing, then why are you even here? You don't have to be here, you know. You or anyone else can respond ad nauseam to everything I say with a quip about how I'm butthurt or raging or whining, if that is what you guys think is fun. It just seems like a waste of time to me.

I think SJW's can be a pain in the ass. That's my view on it. Though, sometimes, they have a point. They don't have to be so strident in conveying that point, though.

I don't believe in "political correctness" for the most part.

I believe in opening doors for women without fear that I'll be called sexist for doing so.

Your lack of self awareness is a little fascinating. I tried debating with you but you quickly made it clear that it's a waste of time.

SJW stands for Social Justice Warrior. From that, it should already be clear that at the very least I'm referring to people that are advocates of social justice. The "warrior" part implies that their approach is fairly aggressive, even warlike, as opposed to peaceful. So, the ones that use bully tactics, censorship, and violence to further their political or social agenda, and the ones that have radical, unfounded ideas, I would term them SJWs.

For example, SJWs are the ones that believe things like: America is a white supremacist patriarchy; that "everything and everyone is problematic" (that is a paraphrased quote from Laci Green, a YouTuber with over 1.5 million subscribers that makes plenty of videos on the subject); that all white people, especially white cis males, are inherently more privileged than everyone else and therefore should be treated differently (something that Buzzfeed, a channel with over 10 million subscribers, talks about in their "Privilege Test" video, as well as others); that all white people should take responsibility or feel guilty for atrocities committed before they were born, by people who are long dead (an idea I've heard many times from SJWs, including just today on a video from the YouTube channel MTV Decoded, a channel with 70k subscribers). I could go on, but I think it should be clear by now what types of people and ideas I'm referring to.

Of course, not all social justice activists are like that, and that is actually why I use the term SJW instead. But that is in a nutshell what I mean. If there was a better term, I'd use it.


I never said they specifically prevent anyone from advocating or supporting anti-poverty measures. Where are you getting that notion? I just think that they aren't helping when they could be, and that they are actually doing harm to the cause of social justice by being a bad example for it. That's my opinion, but that's not even the main reason I dislike them. The main reason is because of all their crazy unfounded ideas and the actions they take as a result. It's the lies and misinformation, the censorship, the bullying, the violence. That is what I hate about them the most.


Certainly it was a disaster, but not for the reason that everyone thinks. The narrative of the gentle giant, who was surrendering to the police at the time he was killed, was a complete fabrication by protesters and the media. And yet it was and is used as undeniable proof of police racism and corruption. Just like the recent killings have both been lied about; the investigations are still ongoing, and thus nobody should be drawing any conclusions yet. But that doesn't stop BLM and the media from using these isolated incidents as proof of widespread racism in the police. Maybe they were completely unjust killings, but until all the facts are out we just don't know.

They're spreading lies and using those lies as a way to further their own agenda. Many of them are using bully tactics or acting out violently. Some of them are actual racists. And yet they're being endorsed by Obama, Hillary Clinton, the DNC, the mainstream media etc. I don't understand why you would think that is not a big deal.


Because I think there is still much work to be done. Why do I need to talk about things that are already done? And I still don't know where you're getting the idea that I think SJWs prevent anything good from happening.

But here is a real example of them shutting down a discussion of a real problem: Islam. Look at what the majority of these people believe. They think being gay should be outlawed, that a woman should always submit to her husband, things like that. Feminists and the LGBT community should be talking about this. And these are just the moderate Muslims, that are moving to or already living in America and Europe. Some of them become radical Muslims, and seek to murder those who are not of their faith. You'd think advocates of social justice would be outraged, as they have been in the past with Christianity. Yet, even with the recent tragedy of the Orlando shooting, SJWs and the politically correct media continue to be Muslim apologists, claiming that it's racist to point out the problems with their ideology and culture. This makes no sense, of course, as they are conflating the ideology with the people. But they shut down any attempt to talk about such things with accusations of bigotry and racism.


You are exactly right, it is difficult to deal with. There are a lot of factors that go into fixing such problems. It requires people to work together and communicate, and really get to the bottom of the issues, something the SJWs are not ok with. They want to blame it all on white people, the patriarchy, systemic racism, and other such ridiculous things. They want to censor people they disagree with, and sometimes they succeed. They are gaining more and more influence every day.

I never said they are specifically preventing any and all positive change from happening. I have no idea where you are getting that from. What I'm saying is, they are bringing about a lot of negative change. They are a problem in and of themselves. And yes, they do shut down discussions about real problems fairly often.

SJW is an absurd term which means NOTHING. Laci Green, a UTuber? Are you kidding me? SJW is a vague, meaningless term which has never, in the history of humanity, been used by a thoughtful person. Get off that horse. It makes you look like a fool.

The first thing you said in this thread was:



Yeah, because when I want to have a rational debate with someone, I start out by asking them a stupid, totally off-topic, loaded question.

Wow, really? Holy s**t. I just gave you the definition of an SJW, and gave a thoughtful response to everything you said, and your response... just, wow

What you've just said is on a level of stupid that is truly shocking; comical, even. You obviously have no argument whatsoever, and so you have to resort back to your original line of "SJW means NOTHING, it's absurd!! !!" As if that somehow proves I'm wrong. How is it absurd? How is anything I've said absurd? You've provided no evidence, so your argument, if it can even be called that, is invalid.

I cannot believe I wasted over 30 minutes writing a response to you. That's quite depressing. I think I'll go drink a gallon of bleach to wash away the pain. Bye, everybody.

Do you also have the 'give your seat to the lady' bus rule too? We have it here.

Not really for young women. If offered, they usually refuse.

For older or pregnant ladies, we give up seats, though. Even sometimes to old and frail men.

I feel this is the proper thing to do.

Purely subjective garbage. You clearly cannot distinguish between the subjective and the objective. That makes you one of those thoughtless people. Do you really think you can get two people to agree on what is and isn't SJW behavior? Google SJW and meaningless and read and try to learn something. Goodbye.

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What a waste of time you are.

Holmes, I hope you realize you're getting rope-a-doped here and stop replying to these bad faith posters.

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How dare you assume that they need your charity! That is such patriarchal crap! Being seated and the choosing to stand up and offer them what you had, what you literally came on the bus and TOOK is no more than being a benevolent dictator! You are such a white male cis hetero straight WASP stereotype! What about those with invisible disabilities or those tired from working two and three jobs who don't have your privilege? You completely invalidate their problems and struggles when you offer your seat to those you mistakenly feel are obvious worthy candidates! If you truly cared you wouldn't have taken a seat to begin with. You would have chosen to stand and allow others to decide whether or not they need to sit down! You're taking away their choice by your white, cis, privileged BS!!

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Sorry, I wanted to do it before one of them decided to do it for real. I read it to my daughter who said it sounds just like her friend Carolina, who is a SJW (and a hipster, and who lived here with her bf for a few months last year) but is a sweet and sometimes rational girl. She read it to her and Carolina said "You go Miss Olive! Ill get you on my side yet" and laughed. Carolina still has a sense of humor and has obviously not been fully indoctrinated

FWIW, I offer my seat too, and I think it's just polite to. It's something that is part of being a gentleman or a lady, which sadly is becoming something that is frowned on now. And I actually recently heard a girl say that she gets offended when someone calls her a lady - she wasn't commenting on that people thought she was "old" (30s maybe is old to her). That's insane that someone would be offended because someone else assumes they are polite and well bred right off the bat. I raised my kids to be ladies and gentlemen and luckily they are and they are polite, no matter what the trend about that is now.

I guess I like to assume the best of people. I can see now that many of them have absolutely no desire to have an open, thought-provoking conversation whatsoever. It's quite sad that they would rather remain ignorant than admit they may not have all the facts, but I'm glad at least some people here are open-minded.

Obviously this desire to assume the best of people does not apply to SJWs. You might in future want to amend claims like that, to something more accurate like "I like to assume the best of people who aren't SJWs--SJWs don't count, I assume the worst about them."

You guys who use SJW as a pejorative like to toss around buzzwords like "virtue signalling" and "confirmation bias" yet never see it in your own behaviour. Fascinating stuff.

Go read my OP and my previous posts before you start making accusations. I literally said that I think most SJWs are genuinely good people, that have good intentions and that care deeply about others. They just take it to an extreme that causes more harm than good. I don't think they're evil, I think they're wrong. That's very different.

Plus, I don't need to assume with SJWs. They have already proven countless times that they can do some pretty f****d up things, and those are the things I'm referring to.

But I can see this is lost on you. You and the others who have been constantly berating me on this thread have no ability to understand nuance.

Please don't attribute words to me by quote that I did not use. I think that is against the rules. Take that addition of yours out of your quote of what I said or I will report the post.

ETA: either point out where exactly I have "berated" you, or retract that claim as well. I have not insulted you or called you any names, so that claim is also inaccurate.