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23 Jan 2017, 10:50 pm

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I find it impossible to take anyone who uses the acronym SJW unironically with any amount of seriousness. It just proves that they've swallowed the alt-right crazy pill and aren't worth bothering with.

Seeing so many autistic people declaring themselves opposed to social justice and declaring advocates of equality to be the enemy is quite sad....... :cry:


Pretty much no one uses the term unironically though.


Not true. I'm pretty sure most people are fairly serious when they use the term. It seems to be the go to insult for sad douchebags online.

There are ironic ways to use the term though. Some of my liberal friends and I like to tease each other all the time with the terms as a way to mock sad rightwingers and their fragile masculinity. I called my wife and SJW cuck just yesterday!

I don't think most people have a clue how ridiculous the term is when it's said out loud. :lol:


No, I mean even as an insult the term is being used ironically, that's how the term started being as an insult. The point being that SJWs, whatever they are, are NOT warriors for social justice, but just think they.


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24 Jan 2017, 1:39 am

In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:



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24 Jan 2017, 1:46 am

SJWs are extremists and make their causes look bad by association, there wouldn't be so much animosity towards them if it wasn't for how they conducted themselves. Sometimes you have to separate the argument from the person making the argument because that person may not be all the likable or friendly, it's funny how this parallels a lot of things.



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24 Jan 2017, 2:03 am

Ganondox wrote:
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I find it impossible to take anyone who uses the acronym SJW unironically with any amount of seriousness. It just proves that they've swallowed the alt-right crazy pill and aren't worth bothering with.

Seeing so many autistic people declaring themselves opposed to social justice and declaring advocates of equality to be the enemy is quite sad....... :cry:


Pretty much no one uses the term unironically though.


Not true. I'm pretty sure most people are fairly serious when they use the term. It seems to be the go to insult for sad douchebags online.

There are ironic ways to use the term though. Some of my liberal friends and I like to tease each other all the time with the terms as a way to mock sad rightwingers and their fragile masculinity. I called my wife and SJW cuck just yesterday!

I don't think most people have a clue how ridiculous the term is when it's said out loud. :lol:


No, I mean even as an insult the term is being used ironically, that's how the term started being as an insult. The point being that SJWs, whatever they are, are NOT warriors for social justice, but just think they.


I've heard people who were almost SJWS themselves deny the existence of SJWs.


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24 Jan 2017, 2:33 am

Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:

I've never been called a SJW. It's not to do with being a woman or political opinion. Also nice doing exactly what you're criticising, you hypocrite.



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24 Jan 2017, 5:17 am

Geekonychus wrote:
In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:


It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.


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24 Jan 2017, 5:33 am

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In my experience, skeleton is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.


i've seen it thrown around merely to describe urban, millennial, affluent types with socially "progressive" points of view, and occasionally a colorful wardrobe.

some of those accused with the label show an astonishing ignorance about the world outside their own bubble, but not all of them.

i feel like the term, and also the concept, is very much divorced from "leftism" by this point.


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24 Jan 2017, 5:53 am

Ganondox wrote:
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In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:


It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Yeah I am 16 and some of this is true in school I once tried to suggest that most gay conversion therapy wasn't torture and people turned against me quickly. They talked about how I simply didn't get it and that 50% of the people committed suicide.



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24 Jan 2017, 7:09 am

SJW =/= left wing

There are left wing people who are anti-SJW


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24 Jan 2017, 7:43 pm

I swing slightly more right on the political spectrum, my twin brother does as well. I'm still young, the age when everyone's opinions are developing. In class, my brother said he wanted Trump to win. He got into a "fight" with some girl, there was no screaming or yelling. It ended with her saying, "You're racist and homophobic!" In my school, anyone who swings right of the centre is criticised. Luckily, I never feel compelled to share my political views. As I am one person, I barely matter, I can't even vote yet.


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24 Jan 2017, 9:17 pm

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I find it impossible to take anyone who uses the acronym SJW unironically with any amount of seriousness. It just proves that they've swallowed the alt-right crazy pill and aren't worth bothering with.

Seeing so many autistic people declaring themselves opposed to social justice and declaring advocates of equality to be the enemy is quite sad....... :cry:


When I first saw the term, I thought like that. But it's a huge mistake to think Social Justice Warriors give a damn about social justice. What they want is dominance and control. They want to silence opposition using every repressive technique in the book. They want to suppress speech. They want to abuse people with impunity. The movement is a true horror, utterly divorced from any real concern for social justice.

At first, I didn't see this, but then I realized I just had not been looking at the places where they are active.

If you care about social justice, read this and then think about the justice-free culture these people are creating:
https://bullybloggers.wordpress.com/201 ... alberstam/

It's just appalling.


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24 Jan 2017, 9:45 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
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In my experience, SJW is just a blanket insult for anyone (especially women) who dares have an opinion that's left of center on the internet. The term is way too broadly applied to just fit your very specific strawman definition.

You should all just be honest and use the terms liberal or feminist instead of hiding your animosities behind silly acronyms. At least then you'd be easier to understand and take seriously. :wink:


It's not MY ridiculous strawman, I'm trying to explain how people use the term to you. I myself am very liberal, but of course there plenty of liberals, particularly teenage ones, who simply don't know what they are talking about, and that's where most the SJW stereotypes come from.
Yeah I am 16 and some of this is true in school I once tried to suggest that most gay conversion therapy wasn't torture and people turned against me quickly. They talked about how I simply didn't get it and that 50% of the people committed suicide.


Being against gay conversation therapy doesn't make someone an SJW, of course they turned on you. In the past before it was made illegal, most of it WAS torture.


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24 Jan 2017, 11:05 pm

Adamantium wrote:
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I find it impossible to take anyone who uses the acronym SJW unironically with any amount of seriousness. It just proves that they've swallowed the alt-right crazy pill and aren't worth bothering with.

Seeing so many autistic people declaring themselves opposed to social justice and declaring advocates of equality to be the enemy is quite sad....... :cry:


When I first saw the term, I thought like that. But it's a huge mistake to think Social Justice Warriors give a damn about social justice. What they want is dominance and control. They want to silence opposition using every repressive technique in the book. They want to suppress speech. They want to abuse people with impunity. The movement is a true horror, utterly divorced from any real concern for social justice.

At first, I didn't see this, but then I realized I just had not been looking at the places where they are active.

If you care about social justice, read this and then think about the justice-free culture these people are creating:
https://bullybloggers.wordpress.com/201 ... alberstam/

It's just appalling.


I agree. I'm pretty left on the political spectrum; you could call me a conservative social democrat. By that I mean that I think that the Left has forgotten about its core values, and spends too much time on social justice. Yes, social justice is important, but if you neglect infrastructure, education, health care and fair taxation in favor of yelling at people for calling LGBT people the wrong thing, society quickly deteriorates.

Trump's central technique is distraction, which he probably picked up from the Left, who have been distracting themselves for a long time.

The language police damages all progressive discussion because they grab huge amounts of attention to their causes. The description of reality becomes more important than reality itself.


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25 Jan 2017, 1:31 am

In my experience the same anti-authoritarian people who used to be anti right wing are now ant SJW.

Naturally anti-authoritarian people will be against whatever authority is dominating the culture at the time. That used to be the right wing but now we have have predominantly left wing culture.

And yes, SJWs really do act as a self-declared authority. They have no legitimate claim to authority over other people. They give orders by the authority vested in them by themselves. Yes, they really do give orders.

Though they make up a small percentage of the population they dominate the culture (in the same way they accuse their enemies of dominating the culture). They are vocal minority.

They appear to have more numbers than they do because they pressure other people into agreeing with them. Who else could get you into trouble at work for disagreeing?

They use bait and switch tactics They get you to agree to something reasonable then they say it means you also agree with some other crazy claims.

Though they make up a small percentage of the population, they dominate the media. On television they seem to be 100% of the population (except for the villain). Television makes it seem normal to be an SJW. In this way they desensitise people to SJW.


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Yeah I am 16 and some of this is true in school I once tried to suggest that most gay conversion therapy wasn't torture and people turned against me quickly. They talked about how I simply didn't get it and that 50% of the people committed suicide.


that's the way it is in a lot of high schools - in my former high school, when you look at who's actually vocal, people your age there tend to flock to either of the extremes: safe space-y, coddling SJWism living in a bubble, and the douchebags who revel in pushing the buttons of the former group. all those others who lay in the middle or are unaligned tend to be quiet about the whole ordeal, and i think they're right to not give that petty bickering the time of day, and let that nonsense pollute their minds. i was one of those, the schadenfreude from both sides was entertainment enough. (i graduated in summer 2015)

we had a writer in our school newspaper in my graduating class, who, for several issues, targeted the "skeleton" crowd and used language like "snowflakes", calling them out on their perceived narcissism, flamboyant dress, and bringing them down to earth by telling them they are not as special as they believe they are. what the background/context of his harangue actually was has since been lost on me, but he responded to the feedback he got (mostly negative, unsurprisingly) in the column and let loose.

i actually saw him get yelled at a few times around campus by that crowd, it may have gotten physical. IMO they were both being immature children.

this all may just be a case of reading too much into garbage on the internet, to the point you believe it exists in the outside world and it warps your perception. it doesn't - not to the same extent, at least.


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25 Jan 2017, 2:21 am

Maybe we are extra sensitive to it? I for one spent quite a lot of years being a victim of the more-empathetic-than-thou crowd. I had it happen to me only last week - it took me a while to figure out that the woman was not actually trying to be kind to someone else, she was just trying to get a rise out of me. It backfired on her, because the other person just thought she was a pain.

You know, when they try to paint you as cold-hearted kitten killer because you don't have an opinion on sheep-shearing practices in Australia or you don't think school uniforms are a crime against humanity.


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