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22 Jan 2017, 12:31 pm

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A very small handful of corrupt people are conspiring against Trump and using their media propaganda mouthpiece to drum it all into the masses minds.

... by insisting on repeating the things that he says, and refusing to let Conway spin it however she wants?


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22 Jan 2017, 12:46 pm

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A very small handful of corrupt people are conspiring against Trump and using their media propaganda mouthpiece to drum it all into the masses minds.

... by insisting on repeating the things that he says, and refusing to let Conway spin it however she wants?


You live in another universe if don't concede that the mainstream media has conspired against Trump and have been caught lying and planting fake news time and time again. There really no reason to ever take what they say at face value, there is always some spin or propaganda attached to everything they report now. This billionaires club is very afraid of Trump, these people try to convince you they're your friend by supporting social cause you support but all they want is for themselves to get rich while you stay enslaved. The billionaires benefit from 'free trade' and unfettered mass immigration, not real Americans and I do separate this ultra elite class. The billionaires are heavily invested in the military-industrial complex.



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22 Jan 2017, 12:48 pm

I guess that the billionaires are lining up to join Trump in his Cabinet to dismantle the system from which they benefit? I don't follow your reasoning.


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22 Jan 2017, 12:53 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
A very small handful of corrupt people are conspiring against Trump and using their media propaganda mouthpiece to drum it all into the masses minds.

... by insisting on repeating the things that he says, and refusing to let Conway spin it however she wants?


You live in another universe if don't concede that the mainstream media has conspired against Trump and have been caught lying and planting fake news time and time again. There really no reason to ever take what they say at face value, there is always some spin or propaganda attached to everything they report now.


As to this part, I concede that people in the media have had discussions with each other about how to stop Trump. They've broadcast many of them, and I found them quite enlightening. They discussed their own role in allowing him to use his personality to overpower more serious people, and that they had fallen under the spell of his celebrity to some extent. They resolved to stop treating him as a TV star, and subject him to the same scrutiny as every other candidate. They've discussed it since, and they don't seem to think they succeeded. I wish they had had the discussion sooner. It's not much of a conspiracy if you use the very tool of the conspiracy to dissect the conspiracy in public. Would that all conspirators gave us such a detailed account of their intentions.


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22 Jan 2017, 12:56 pm

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I guess that the billionaires are lining up to join Trump in his Cabinet to dismantle the system from which they benefit? I don't follow your reasoning.


Trump is a billionaire himself, obviously not all billionaires conspire together but a lot of them do. The greatest build up of capital and the most expensive election in history was waged against Trump, over a billion dollars was spent and that's not quantifying the news media which acted as Clinton's mouthpiece and did most of the campaigning for her. How do poor and working class people benefit from mass immigration? Why should someone from the rustbelt support free trade that destroyed their homes and way of life? Coastal elitists have sealed themselves off in their 'safe spaces',, their self interests are not the same as the vast majority of Americans.



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22 Jan 2017, 1:01 pm

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I guess that the billionaires are lining up to join Trump in his Cabinet to dismantle the system from which they benefit? I don't follow your reasoning.


Trump is a billionaire himself, obviously not all billionaires conspire together but a lot of them do. The greatest build up of capital and the most expensive election in history was waged against Trump, over a billion dollars was spent and that's not quantifying the news media which acted as Clinton's mouthpiece and did most of the campaigning for her. How do poor and working class people benefit from mass immigration? Why should someone from the rustbelt support free trade that destroyed their homes and way of life? Coastal elitists have sealed themselves off in their 'safe spaces',, their self interests are not the same as the vast majority of Americans.


You're not wrong about the poor, but they won't benefit from what Trump and his team do, since they are all billionaires who oppose lots of things that keep workers alive, are some of the people responsible for offshoring jobs, and some of whom provably avoid taxes by offshoring their investment funds. Those specific billionaires in his specific cabinet are Real Americans, then?


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22 Jan 2017, 1:02 pm

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jrjones9933 wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
A very small handful of corrupt people are conspiring against Trump and using their media propaganda mouthpiece to drum it all into the masses minds.

... by insisting on repeating the things that he says, and refusing to let Conway spin it however she wants?


You live in another universe if don't concede that the mainstream media has conspired against Trump and have been caught lying and planting fake news time and time again. There really no reason to ever take what they say at face value, there is always some spin or propaganda attached to everything they report now.


As to this part, I concede that people in the media have had discussions with each other about how to stop Trump. They've broadcast many of them, and I found them quite enlightening. They discussed their own role in allowing him to use his personality to overpower more serious people, and that they had fallen under the spell of his celebrity to some extent. They resolved to stop treating him as a TV star, and subject him to the same scrutiny as every other candidate. They've discussed it since, and they don't seem to think they succeeded. I wish they had had the discussion sooner. It's not much of a conspiracy if you use the very tool of the conspiracy to dissect the conspiracy in public. Would that all conspirators gave us such a detailed account of their intentions.


Read Wikileaks; they gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time, they cleared stories with the DNC/Hillary campaign before publishing, they allowed the Hillary campaign to pick the stories she wanted them to cover, they took suggestions from the Hillary campaign as to how they should report on Trump. It's not this garbage about them pretending to be fact checkers, they literally conspired against Trump and I think laws were broken. It was rigged from the beginning, look at how they treated Bernie Sanders which was on the orders of the Hillary campaign. CNN has zero credibility left, neither does the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or a whole host of others.



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22 Jan 2017, 1:04 pm

Just stop with the deflection and address some of the inconsistencies I've been pointing out. I can return to Trump's own clear, simple statements and actions all day, so you just look pathetic trying to spin them into gold.

The longer you avoid directly answering our questions, the more unhinged you appear. Watch Conway on Meet the Press.


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22 Jan 2017, 1:08 pm

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Read Wikileaks; they gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time, they cleared stories with the DNC/Hillary campaign before publishing, they allowed the Hillary campaign to pick the stories she wanted them to cover, they took suggestions from the Hillary campaign as to how they should report on Trump. It's not this garbage about them pretending to be fact checkers, they literally conspired against Trump and I think laws were broken. It was rigged from the beginning, look at how they treated Bernie Sanders which was on the orders of the Hillary campaign. CNN has zero credibility left, neither does the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or a whole host of others.


Asking for clarification as to whether you have accurately reported someone's remarks in summary is not clearing the story, and neither is asking for verification. Those are standard reporting practice, and yes sometimes they cross the line into questionable ethical territory. The DNC conspiracy and the debate question thing are the actions of a few bad apples. We removed those bad apples, so that they would not spoil the whole bunch, to some extent. I don't think it was enough, but it was some effort to fix the problem. You don't watch the shows where they criticize themselves mercilessly over this? There's a lot out there.


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22 Jan 2017, 1:14 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
I guess that the billionaires are lining up to join Trump in his Cabinet to dismantle the system from which they benefit? I don't follow your reasoning.


Trump is a billionaire himself, obviously not all billionaires conspire together but a lot of them do. The greatest build up of capital and the most expensive election in history was waged against Trump, over a billion dollars was spent and that's not quantifying the news media which acted as Clinton's mouthpiece and did most of the campaigning for her. How do poor and working class people benefit from mass immigration? Why should someone from the rustbelt support free trade that destroyed their homes and way of life? Coastal elitists have sealed themselves off in their 'safe spaces',, their self interests are not the same as the vast majority of Americans.


You're not wrong about the poor, but they won't benefit from what Trump and his team do, since they are all billionaires who oppose lots of things that keep workers alive, are some of the people responsible for offshoring jobs, and some of whom provably avoid taxes by offshoring their investment funds. Those specific billionaires in his specific cabinet are Real Americans, then?


Trump wants to bring a lot of that money outside of this country back in and he has several proposals how to do that. Solving this illegal immigration problem as well as abuse of our legal immigration system thru things like H1bs and negotiating a return of manufacturing to this country will help the most vulnerable in this country. Trump said all along that we would nominate successful people from outside the political world as that is who he thinks are the best and brightest are and will negotiate the best deals for this country. I will give them a chance and see what they do, baseless speculation serves no point.



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22 Jan 2017, 1:15 pm

Baseless to wonder if they will act against their self-interest, eh?


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22 Jan 2017, 1:18 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Read Wikileaks; they gave Hillary debate questions ahead of time, they cleared stories with the DNC/Hillary campaign before publishing, they allowed the Hillary campaign to pick the stories she wanted them to cover, they took suggestions from the Hillary campaign as to how they should report on Trump. It's not this garbage about them pretending to be fact checkers, they literally conspired against Trump and I think laws were broken. It was rigged from the beginning, look at how they treated Bernie Sanders which was on the orders of the Hillary campaign. CNN has zero credibility left, neither does the New York Times, or the Washington Post, or a whole host of others.


Asking for clarification as to whether you have accurately reported someone's remarks in summary is not clearing the story, and neither is asking for verification. Those are standard reporting practice, and yes sometimes they cross the line into questionable ethical territory. The DNC conspiracy and the debate question thing are the actions of a few bad apples. We removed those bad apples, so that they would not spoil the whole bunch, to some extent. I don't think it was enough, but it was some effort to fix the problem. You don't watch the shows where they criticize themselves mercilessly over this? There's a lot out there.


Read Wikileaks, you are deflecting and rationalizing what it exposed. Those bad apples were removed, the whole tree is bad anyways so it doesn't matter. Do you still find a liar like Brian Williams credible? What about Wolf Blitzer? Untrustworthy as it gets. You're saying something is standard practice without actually knowing what was exposed. Why do you trust the media at all? What reason have they given you to trust them? Why are they any different than a politician?



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22 Jan 2017, 1:20 pm

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Baseless to wonder if they will act against their self-interest, eh?


Maybe name names and state what actually scares you instead of throwing around innuendo



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22 Jan 2017, 1:22 pm

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Baseless to wonder if they will act against their self-interest, eh?


Maybe name names and state what actually scares you instead of throwing around innuendo


I meant that the word "baseless" has a meaning, and you should learn that meaning before throwing it around.


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22 Jan 2017, 1:24 pm

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Baseless to wonder if they will act against their self-interest, eh?


Maybe name names and state what actually scares you instead of throwing around innuendo


I meant that the word "baseless" has a meaning, and you should learn that meaning before throwing it around.


Now your turn smarty, name names and what concerns you. Google those billionaires real quick and get back to me.



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22 Jan 2017, 1:32 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
A very small handful of corrupt people are conspiring against Trump and using their media propaganda mouthpiece to drum it all into the masses minds.

... by insisting on repeating the things that he says, and refusing to let Conway spin it however she wants?


By blabbing on about what he said on a bus 11 years ago and ignoring all of Clinton's crimes.


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