Why aren't atheists agnostic?

Post Reply New Topic

Other animals definitely have personalities etc.

Probably

Hey, what's the mystery with Scientology anyway? What is the end game of it all? Does anyone know?
I know it's alien history and our link to it all. Why are humans important to aliens and why are we here according to them. I've tried to look it up after reading a Tom Cruise article, but it seems clandestine.

haha
Now we are moving to Scientology

Scientology kind of squeezes other animals out of the debate anyway. And while I'm curious, I think I'm atheist to Scientology, not agnostic. But then again, I still can't figure out what their big deal is.
I read on CNN the other day about crop circles at their compound where they preserve and guard their sacred texts. They got a photo, but it was incredibly difficult for them to finally find a pilot that would take them over the compound. The pilots didn't want to piss off the Scientologists. Freaky but true,

Scientologists don't bother me that much because they don't affect me as much. It's the Christians etc that try interfering in my life.

Don't be so sure about that, they don't believe in Psychiatry and Psychology.

Evidently you're ok as long as you don't make them mad. If you join them, they'll take you when they leave Earth though. Could that be good for an animal?

They're not stopping me seeing a psychologist though, are they?
Christians are trying to stop me getting married etc though.

I dont know much about that actually, so I can't say how are their views about homosexuality, but it seems that they control your life.

There are things about their religion who is too much SciFi like, it seems that what Ragtime has been saying makes more sense that this scientology thing.

But they don't control my life though. I am not a scientologist. The only way scientology would really affect me is if I became a scientologist. And I'm not going to. Whereas, even without being Christian myself, because there are so many of them, the Christians still cause me a load of crap. The scientologists do nothing to me really.

Soph,
Marry. On a deserted island or in the wilderness what would stop you? Your bond is more true for you than the influence of government and religion, I can tell. Is a personal vow between two people less valid than one that's registered and sanctioned by others?

Apparently Scientology doesn't have a problem with Gays, not really sure
My question is what are their views on autism and PDDs, as apparently they don't believe in psychiatry and psychology.

I want the same legal and financial rights as everyone else though.


I don't care what they believe. There aren't enough of them and they're not taken seriously enough for their beliefs to affect me. Christians, on the other hand, are.

thats quite exactly where that famous descartes quote fits in: "i think, therefore i am", which is a rather bad translation of "cogitans sum" - basically stating that even if everything that you think may fool you, you can be sure that you are by the fact that you are thinking.
actually, that thought was expressed earlier by augustinus in a more elegant way: when questioned whether i might err in my thinking, i respond that "only who is can err."

beyond that, i find the discussion culture in this thread to be incredibly bad.
so many mere points of view are stated as facts, so many assumptions are stated as facts, and to top it all of, people start talking about "scientific facts". people... get a grip on what you are talking and get some preciseness in your language. get to know what scientific statements state before you start selling them as objective facts.

proclaiming scientific findings as true fact is the same as proclamiming bible verses as true fact. no difference. (before you start complaining: get a grip on your science theory)
and that is said not by some hardcore believer but an agnostic (who really couldnt care less about the existence of a god that doesnt play a role in this life) who -if pressed for a guess- rather tends to not thinking that there is a god.

ragtime: i, for one, do think you made your point of view clear enough. you accept the bible as source, others dont. as long as they arent conscious of that, there just is no common ground to argue.

It seems like they don't tell you what they think unless you join. My opinion of their philosophy is rendered mute because I can't figure out what exactly their philosopy is. Except for Tom Cruise's public statements against depression medication. Do they think we can reason ourselves out of AS? How?
Their marketing is pretty much the opposite of the crusading Christian approach.