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06 Aug 2017, 11:54 am

I think we can safely say that the earth is a helluva lot older than the YEC'ers claim. Unlike other "science" where we rely on scientists that may have a personal agenda, we can actually go out ourselves and find fossils which sure as hell took a lot more than 10k (or whatever) years to form.

Don't even bother trying to convince YEC'ers that they are wrong. I've known a few and when I told one of them that I'd personally found fossils at the bottoms of long abandoned open pit mines (a.k.a. strip mines) he told me with a straight face that the devil had put them there. The more you try and convince them they are wrong, even very tactfully, the deeper in to thier own beliefs they'll dig thier boot heels in.

Oh well, it's free county and we're all entitled to our beliefs.


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06 Aug 2017, 11:55 am

More Evidence of Common Descent

Human Chromosome 2 looks like a fusion of two ape chromosomes.

Why would God give us such a wonky-looking chromosome?

Well ... this was the same god that gave us an appendix and a tailbone.


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06 Aug 2017, 12:10 pm

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Creationists need to realize even Bible Belt rednecks don't like them. Rednecks don't like anything that falls under "fancy book learnin'" regardless if it's pro-God or not so even something like the gap theory rednecks will just say "That ain't true! It ain't in duh bibowl!" if they hear it.


The earth hath existed waste and void - Genesis 1:2 - Young's Literal Translation.

Existed - past tense.


Most people in the Bible Belt use the NIV translation: Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

They think the Earth was never anything before but a ball of empty water. The gap theory is practically unheard of in the Bible Belt.



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06 Aug 2017, 12:19 pm

Sounds a bit like Kamino! And that birdlike creature aloft over the waters.


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06 Aug 2017, 5:25 pm

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What does that have to do with your thesis that science is bad and nefarious?

Scientists are mostly con-men that seek money by pretending they know what they're talking about.

These con-men are nefarious and dangerous, because their PHD degree gives them respect, and power over people.

We see this on television with the daily lawyer commercials .... "Have you been a victim of a scientist..."? .... sueing these con-men for their harmful drugs, or cancer-causing materials.

Your child might be forced to take drugs, because some full of sh*t PHD con-man said so.

We have seen on WP , con-men PHD who torture ASD people at that Canadian ASD facility.

Some of these con-men are just idiots, and blindly believe their own bullcrap, however, even they still cause harm.

The fact that people here echo the words of these con-men shows you the power of their persuasion.

The truth is these con-men don't understand reality, never will, and mostly don't care. They care about the money.



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06 Aug 2017, 5:49 pm

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What does that have to do with your thesis that science is bad and nefarious?

Scientists are mostly con-men that seek money by pretending they know what they're talking about.

These con-men are nefarious and dangerous, because their PHD degree gives them respect, and power over people.

We see this on television with the daily lawyer commercials .... "Have you been a victim of a scientist..."? .... sueing these con-men for their harmful drugs, or cancer-causing materials.

Your child might be forced to take drugs, because some full of sh*t PHD con-man said so.

We have seen on WP , con-men PHD who torture ASD people at that Canadian ASD facility.

Some of these con-men are just idiots, and blindly believe their own bullcrap, however, even they still cause harm.

The fact that people here echo the words of these con-men shows you the power of their persuasion.

The truth is these con-men don't understand reality, never will, and mostly don't care. They care about the money.


You know that some people need drugs to live right?

If you want to live in a world without science, move to Saudi Arabia.

You aren't a victim of science. You are consciously choosing to be a victim in order to gain sympathy.

Choose to be a winner instead. Have you ever tried that?

Here's an idea. If you think that people with PHDs are controlling the world, you should go out there and get yourself a PHD. You'll discover that it's not easy. Scientists work their asses off so that you can live the cozy lifestyle that you take for granted.


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06 Aug 2017, 8:05 pm

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The truth of reality is ultimately unknowable to humans.

So... we should just therefore give up in our attempts to understand it? It's all too hard, so let us not even bother?

That will happen naturally.


Why would anyone wish for something like this? The process of discovering the true, underlying nature of reality is one of the few things that make life meaningful for puny humanity. The alternative to this is stagnation, dogma, and the corruption and deterioration of one's mind, eventually leading to the insanity of fanaticism.



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06 Aug 2017, 8:12 pm

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Scientists are mostly con-men that seek money by pretending they know what they're talking about.

These con-men are nefarious and dangerous, because their PHD degree gives them respect, and power over people.


God, what a load of shyte. Do you have ANY evidence whatsoever to back up your, positively barmy, claim? "Pretending to know what they are talking about..." - No, they usually DO know what they are talking about, because it happens to be what they do for a living.

It could be the case that when you wrote this silly nonsense you had the "science" of global warming/climate change/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it in mind, where politicisation has occurred to such an extent that there is little, if any, actual science left. That is, however, an exceptional case. Things usually don't get so out of hand, but one can blame others for this, not scientists (ex. "science reporters", politicians, economists, naive environmentalists...).



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06 Aug 2017, 9:49 pm

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Creationists: Explain this.

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These are all real fossils. Am I supposed to believe that this is all a coincidence?

Smaller horse fossils are found in older rocks. Isn't there a pattern here?


Homologus structures, all of these evolved from a common ancestor.

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06 Aug 2017, 10:02 pm

rick sanchez wrote:
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Creationists: Explain this.

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These are all real fossils. Am I supposed to believe that this is all a coincidence?

Smaller horse fossils are found in older rocks. Isn't there a pattern here?


Homologus structures, all of these evolved from a common ancestor.

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Yep.

Whales even have toe bones in their flippers. Why? What good are they?

Perhaps our "intelligent designer" isn't that intelligent.

Whales also have hip bones. They aren't even attached to anything. Whales have hips ... just because.

Creationists will say "Science is still trying to figure out what those hip bones are for."

... and yet creationists get all cocky whenever actual scientists say "We'll have an answer someday."

Creationists have a huge double standard. Creationists will constantly spout anti-intellectual garbage like "God works in mysterious ways." ... but then they will act smug as heck whenever an actual scientist utters the words "I don't know."

Protip: Whenever a creation ret*d says "God works in mysterious ways." this means you just won the argument. Walk away.


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08 Aug 2017, 9:20 am

Here's another load of crap that I'm sick of hearing.

"Lots of scientists believe in intelligent design."

Is that true? It's technically true, but it's misleading.

99.99% of biologists acknowledge that evolution is a scientifically proven fact. The vast majority of scientists who reject evolutionary science aren't biologists. Most of the scientists who reject evolution are engineers who specialize in machines and assume that nature works like a machine.

Here is something that we must all remember. Most people are good at just one or two things. There is no such thing as an "all-around genius". Anyone who claims to be one is an impostor.

There are lots of things that I don't know. I will admit that I know almost nothing about sports, engineering or gender issues. I just don't really care about those topics. At least I admit it.

Some creationists are smart? Who cares? Einstein was smart and he had difficulty doing his taxes.

Stick to what you know and don't be a poser.


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24 Aug 2017, 7:12 pm

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There were one hundred of them-biologists, chemists, zoologists, physicists, anthropologists, molecular and cell biologists, bioengineers, organic chemists, geologists, astrophysicists, and other scientists. Their doctorates came from such prestigious universities as Cambridge, Stanford, Cornell, Yale, Rutgers, Chicago, Princeton, Purdue, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse, Temple, and Berkeley.

They included professors from Yale Graduate School, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Tulane, Rice, Emory, George Mason, Lehigh, and the Universities of California, Washington, Texas, Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio, Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri, Iowa, Georgia, New Mexico, Utah, Pennsylvania, and elsewhere.

Among them was the director of the Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry and scientists at the Plasma Physics Lab at Princeton, the National Museum of Natural History at the Smithsonian Institute, the Los Alamos National Laboratory, and the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.

And they wanted the world to know one thing: they are skeptical.

After spokespersons for the Public Broadcasting System's seven-part television series Evolution asserted that "all known scientific evidence supports [Darwinian] evolution" as does "virtually every reputable scientist in the world," these professors, laboratory researchers, and other scientists published a two-page advertisement in a national magazine under the banner: "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism."

Their statement was direct and defiant. "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life," they said. "Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

These were not narrow-minded fundamentalists, backwoods West Virginia protesters, or rabid religious fanatics-just respected, worldclass scientists like Nobel nominee Henry F. Schaefer, the third mostcited chemist in the world; James Tour of Rice University's Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology; and Fred Figworth, professor of cellular and molecular physiology at Yale Graduate School.

Together, despite the specter of professional persecution, they broached the politically incorrect opinion that the emperor of evolution has no clothes.

As a high school and university student studying evolution, I was never told that there were credible scientists who harbored significant skepticism toward Darwinian theory. I had been under the impression that it was only know-nothing pastors who objected to evolution on the grounds that it contradicted the Bible's claims. I wasn't aware that, according to historian Peter Bowler, substantive scientific critiques of natural selection started so early that by 1900 "its opponents were convinced it would never recover."

Viewers of the popular 2001 PBS series weren't told that, either. In fact, its one-sided depiction of evolution spurred a backlash from many scientists. A detailed, 151-page critique claimed it "failed to present accurately and fairly the scientific problems with the evidence for Darwinian evolution" and even systematically ignored "disagreements among evolutionary biologists themselves." - Lee Strobel, 'The Case for a Creator'


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24 Aug 2017, 7:43 pm

Wow, I think a couple thousand neurons died after I read your post.

I will grieve for them. And for you.


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25 Aug 2017, 5:23 am

Lintar wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Scientists are mostly con-men that seek money by pretending they know what they're talking about.

These con-men are nefarious and dangerous, because their PHD degree gives them respect, and power over people.


God, what a load of shyte. Do you have ANY evidence whatsoever to back up your, positively barmy, claim?"Pretending to know what they are talking about..." - No, they usually DO know what they are talking about, because it happens to be what they do for a living.

Our best physicists don't know how reality works.

So, when some idiot, con-man PHD tells you otherwise, say, "PROVE IT".

Lintar wrote:
It could be the case that when you wrote this silly nonsense you had the "science" of global warming/climate change/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it in mind, where politicisation has occurred to such an extent that there is little, if any, actual science left. That is, however, an exceptional case. Things usually don't get so out of hand, but one can blame others for this, not scientists (ex. "science reporters", politicians, economists, naive environmentalists...).

It's all made up.

That's why they call their ideas "theories".

However, most present themselves like they know how reality works.



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25 Aug 2017, 5:48 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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What does that have to do with your thesis that science is bad and nefarious?

Scientists are mostly con-men that seek money by pretending they know what they're talking about.

These con-men are nefarious and dangerous, because their PHD degree gives them respect, and power over people.

We see this on television with the daily lawyer commercials .... "Have you been a victim of a scientist..."? .... sueing these con-men for their harmful drugs, or cancer-causing materials.

Your child might be forced to take drugs, because some full of sh*t PHD con-man said so.

We have seen on WP , con-men PHD who torture ASD people at that Canadian ASD facility.

Some of these con-men are just idiots, and blindly believe their own bullcrap, however, even they still cause harm.

The fact that people here echo the words of these con-men shows you the power of their persuasion.

The truth is these con-men don't understand reality, never will, and mostly don't care. They care about the money.


You know that some people need drugs to live right?

If you want to live in a world without science, move to Saudi Arabia.

You aren't a victim of science. You are consciously choosing to be a victim in order to gain sympathy.

Choose to be a winner instead. Have you ever tried that?

Here's an idea. If you think that people with PHDs are controlling the world, you should go out there and get yourself a PHD. You'll discover that it's not easy. Scientists work their asses off so that you can live the cozy lifestyle that you take for granted.

I am a winner.

My mind and imagination are open.

I don't go see con men doctors for treatment.
I don't listen to con men scientists on tv.
I don't trust the words of "money whore" con men scientists trying to hold onto their gravy train jobs.
I don't trust the research of "money whore" con men scientists.
I don't even believe scientific theories as they are historically redacted based on new theories.
I don't trust them at all.
I even assume they are lieing, either intentionally, or because they are too stupid.

On WP I see a lot "victims", members with closed minds, because some scoundrel con-man scientist presented made-up ideas as truth.



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25 Aug 2017, 6:10 am

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What's up with this?

Did a scientist steal your bike once when you were a kid????? :lol:

So...if I go around assuming that the earth goes around the sun, and not the other way around,then that makes me a "victim"?