11 Mar 2018, 2:28 am
11 Mar 2018, 2:34 am
11 Mar 2018, 2:39 am
@Raptor: You didn't ask me but I'd say hate could represent the failure of the entire human species. There's no looking at it in terms of thermodynamics, there is no net positive & nothing to be gained from it. Just a negative in the absolute.
If you want people to hate you, making tools for killing them seems like an efficient route but it's obvious you're just being edgy to convince yourself you're tougher than the rest of us. We're all just colonies of cells.
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-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 2:43 am
11 Mar 2018, 2:44 am
Raptor wrote:
cberg wrote:
This is just paranoid man, and a vote of no confidence in yourself. I don't think you're as weak as you said, I don't think guns make people any stronger and I definitely don't think you've any right to threaten to shoot me just because of my black hoodie.
Black hoodie?
I don't see the connection.
I have a black hoodie and I wore it today without anyone shooting me.
I talked about someone wearing a black hoodi at night following as as example of a threat. He’s exaggerating saying i and other gun owners would walk around waving our guns threatening anyone wearing a hoodie all day long. That’s he’s way of trying to say we shouldn’t need a gun or have reason to own any. It’s slow about situational awareness and being aware of people who are acting oddly or giving signs of possible intentions to commit crime. Reacting to said signs if they continue to add up. But he zoomed in on one ignored the message and is pretraying as as bad guys. He probably thinks cops and security are bad guys too. And people at my work. Surely that guy stuffing stuff in hs backpack is good guy. There’s lots of odd behaviors that tell us when someone is going shoplift. Yiu don’t have to wait til they doing it by then it’s too late, likewise if you wait until the guys stabbing you it’s too late, quack like a duck, walk like a duck it’s probably a duck. Probably the same idea that some hold thst women shouldn’t defense themselves if be No adubctied as they do t know if the kidnaper is going hurt them, but the law says they don’t onow they kindapper won’t hurt them lethal force is ok.
Carried a gun for 5-6 years and never had to pull it out. Never threaten anyone with it. Hopefully never will. We’re some situations I was ready to though.
11 Mar 2018, 2:57 am
Why are you selectively ignoring me when I say I'd rather be friends? Why judge without knowing me?
It's not exactly a 'good guy' trait to paint others with such a broad brush; this is why I don't trust most people with a gun, including cops. It's not all absolutes, there is good & bad in anyone.
I suppose if all you want is frenemies carrying must be the way to go.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 3:04 am
MrsPeel wrote:
Well, I'm going to assume Raptor's statements express his genuine views, even if they border on trolling.
Ah yes, the troll accusation for those whom disagrees with us.
Nothing new here...
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So, Raptor, how about a pic of your weapon of choice? Just out of interest.
(Hand weapons only, no nukes or whatever)
(Hand weapons only, no nukes or whatever)
Weapon of choice would depend on the intended application. There's no one size fits all here.
I'm not posting pics of my guns but I will post some from google images like those that I have.
This is my carry piece, a Kahr Arms CW9 (9mm). It's compact and lightweight and carries easily and unobtrusively. If it's not on me it's in the center console box of my SUV. It's not my favorite but it's the one I see and handle the most.
This is very similar to one of my fun guns that can also be used in dire circumstances.
It's a Bushmaster AR-15 carbine with an Aimpoint red dot sight and a few other goodies.
I have several more.
11 Mar 2018, 3:07 am
SUV? Well that's deathly boring.
So as not to die of boredom I drive something tactically precise.
_________________
"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 3:14 am
MrsPeel wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Please look up violent death per 1,000 and then look up violent crimes and compare. Sorry if my loved one was stabbed to death tommorr I wouldn’t be like “ well thank god they weren’t shot to death thst could be worse” death is death. And higher violent crime is bad. 10,000 people a year out of 320,000,000. Is less then half of 1% it’s so minor. Compare thst to heart attacks, knifes, cars, swimming pools, medical mal practice, smoking, cancer, etc. guns aren’t even in the top ten causes of death
Heart disease: 633,842
• Cancer: 595,930
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
• Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
• Diabetes: 79,535
• Influenza and pneumonia: 57,062
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 49,959
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
I think us should include it’s territories
Anguilla: 27.66
British Virgin Islands:8.37
Cayman Islands:14.74
Montserrat:20.39
Bermuda:6.45
On to Europe
Russia:11.31
Lithuania:5.98
Ukraine:4.36
France 1.58
Belgium 1.95
Germany: 0.85
Quite a few European nations have similar or higher murder rates as the USA.
Violent crimes are hard to compare due to things we deem violent crimes uk doesn’t.
Likewise some countries say a mass shooting is 9 or more for example, USA defines it as 4 or more.anit gun people define it as 0 or more(wish I was joking)
Again I fount think the people killed or their families are much happy they weren’t killed by a gun but something else instead. I know I wouldn’t be. Doubt the victims fsmikys from nice France are like well it’s ok they weren’t shot. Dead is dead, death is bad regardless of how it’s done. We’d stilk have the murder rate we do if we banned and collected all guns in th USA. The USA is just more violent.then us or France we have entirely different demographics then you all. We also have a Bunche of cartel run dug making countries right below us who smuggle drugs up and fight with each other here, unlike yiu all. Imagine if uka had Afghanistan right on its border instead of ocean. Bet your murder rates would go up.
I thought this thread was about curiosity but now I see it’s about pushing gun control. Sad. I’d hope you were legitimately trying to explore and understand gun owners.
If you’d like to get back to thst I’m here,
Heart disease: 633,842
• Cancer: 595,930
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 155,041
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 146,571
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 140,323
• Alzheimer’s disease: 110,561
• Diabetes: 79,535
• Influenza and pneumonia: 57,062
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 49,959
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,193
I think us should include it’s territories
Anguilla: 27.66
British Virgin Islands:8.37
Cayman Islands:14.74
Montserrat:20.39
Bermuda:6.45
On to Europe
Russia:11.31
Lithuania:5.98
Ukraine:4.36
France 1.58
Belgium 1.95
Germany: 0.85
Quite a few European nations have similar or higher murder rates as the USA.
Violent crimes are hard to compare due to things we deem violent crimes uk doesn’t.
Likewise some countries say a mass shooting is 9 or more for example, USA defines it as 4 or more.anit gun people define it as 0 or more(wish I was joking)
Again I fount think the people killed or their families are much happy they weren’t killed by a gun but something else instead. I know I wouldn’t be. Doubt the victims fsmikys from nice France are like well it’s ok they weren’t shot. Dead is dead, death is bad regardless of how it’s done. We’d stilk have the murder rate we do if we banned and collected all guns in th USA. The USA is just more violent.then us or France we have entirely different demographics then you all. We also have a Bunche of cartel run dug making countries right below us who smuggle drugs up and fight with each other here, unlike yiu all. Imagine if uka had Afghanistan right on its border instead of ocean. Bet your murder rates would go up.
I thought this thread was about curiosity but now I see it’s about pushing gun control. Sad. I’d hope you were legitimately trying to explore and understand gun owners.
If you’d like to get back to thst I’m here,
It upset me a bit, Sly, that you think my thread is only about pushing gun control
It was started from a genuine curiosity, a sort of "I can see there is a cultural difference thing going on here and I want to understand" thought.
If I seem to be pushing gun control it's because I was feeling baffled at people who equate the individual freedom to own a firearm with a societal benefit. Because when I looked at the figures, I could not see any benefit at all from high levels of gun ownership in terms of reduction in death or violence, on a societal basis.
I'd like to keep engaging with you on this, I'm not the sort of person who will dogmatically be pro- or anti- gun ownership, I just like to understand the arguments on both sides. So I've had a look through the above figures in your post, but I'm a little confused, because you haven't given me the figures from US to compare. I think the essence of what you're saying is that the US is more violent in general, and that firearm-related deaths are a low proportion of total deaths.
I think the point goes both ways, though. Just as, if a member of my family was killed by a knife, the institution of gun controls would not be a consolation, equally if a member of my family were killed by a gun, I could rightfully be upset that stricter gun controls were not present. If I felt like arguing the case, I would probably go into more depth and compare violent deaths by each method, I would probably point out the prevalence of suicides by firearm, and so on, but that's not my agenda.
What I'm actually more interested in is whether there is a perception of a high level of violence in the US, a general level of personal insecurity, which is affecting people's attitude towards gun ownership. That's sort of what I as getting at with my post about baseball bats and pepper spray, and your post seems to be heading down the same path.
Not quite sure what I'm trying to get out of this thread, I just find there seems to be a huge difference between my thoughts towards gun ownership and the prevailing views of many US citizens, and I get that there is a cultural difference, and I'm genuinely trying to understand.
Only reason to limite and bring up gun only murder rates is to push gun control. Why else be like look we banned guns and our gun deaths are lower . Shouldn’t they be 0 gun deaths? The reason to do so is to tweak stats to ,ale it look like gun control is good. 300,000 to 3,000,000 people defend themselves with guns every year in the USA. 10,000 are killed with guns another 20,000 kill themselves with guns but they’d done witnwith something else. 20,000 other people kill themselves without guns. 21,000 in Japan’s where guns are completely banned unlike uk no one in Japan’s can own any guns. It’s very likely the 20,000 who used guns most would find another way like the 20,000 who do it without guns. So what we are talking about is 10,000, which includes lawful defense deaths as well as people killed by cops while committing a crime as well as gang on gang violence(which makes up most the homicide deaths) now will gangs stop killing each other if guns are banned? Doubt it. They still get guns too, just like the drugs they fight over. Us has a gang problem.
Us is 4.88 sorry I left it out.
There no evidence that more or less guns has any effect on crime. Florida passed concealed carry, crime went down, but there’s no way to prove its was the cause, however the studies in the 1994 assault weapon ban showed it had no effect and thus it wasn’t renewed despite bush wanting it.
See above about suicides.
We have more gang and crime actively but hard to say as there’s things we call a crime uk doesn’t things we’d call violent crime thst uk doesn’t. Differ laws different definitions, we may very well have the same crime rate if we used the same definitions who knows we probably never where since if yiu don’t consider something a crime yiu don’t track it’s happenings.
Media certain makes more money to pretrsy as as more violent that’s for sure, kittens and baby pandas don’t sell ad time.
Quite a few gun owners Cary non lethal too and might try to use it first, depends in the situation.
11 Mar 2018, 3:18 am
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
cberg wrote:
This is just paranoid man, and a vote of no confidence in yourself. I don't think you're as weak as you said, I don't think guns make people any stronger and I definitely don't think you've any right to threaten to shoot me just because of my black hoodie.
Black hoodie?
I don't see the connection.
I have a black hoodie and I wore it today without anyone shooting me.
I talked about someone wearing a black hoodi at night following as as example of a threat. He’s exaggerating saying i and other gun owners would walk around waving our guns threatening anyone wearing a hoodie all day long. That’s he’s way of trying to say we shouldn’t need a gun or have reason to own any. It’s slow about situational awareness and being aware of people who are acting oddly or giving signs of possible intentions to commit crime. Reacting to said signs if they continue to add up. But he zoomed in on one ignored the message and is pretraying as as bad guys. He probably thinks cops and security are bad guys too. And people at my work. Surely that guy stuffing stuff in hs backpack is good guy. There’s lots of odd behaviors that tell us when someone is going shoplift. Yiu don’t have to wait til they doing it by then it’s too late, likewise if you wait until the guys stabbing you it’s too late, quack like a duck, walk like a duck it’s probably a duck. Probably the same idea that some hold thst women shouldn’t defense themselves if be No adubctied as they do t know if the kidnaper is going hurt them, but the law says they don’t onow they kindapper won’t hurt them lethal force is ok.
Carried a gun for 5-6 years and never had to pull it out. Never threaten anyone with it. Hopefully never will. We’re some situations I was ready to though.
Yes, the left's image of the average gun owner, especially if they carry or own and "assault weapon", is an old fat white man compensating for being endowed with a small tallywhacker and looking for any reason to ventilate someone. They have no desire to enlighten themselves yet accuse others of being backward and ignorant.
11 Mar 2018, 3:22 am
11 Mar 2018, 3:25 am
cberg wrote:
@Raptor: You didn't ask me but I'd say hate could represent the failure of the entire human species. There's no looking at it in terms of thermodynamics, there is no net positive & nothing to be gained from it. Just a negative in the absolute.
Whatev....
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If you want people to hate you, making tools for killing them seems like an efficient route but it's obvious you're just being edgy to convince yourself you're tougher than the rest of us. We're all just colonies of cells.
What tools am I making? If your'e talking about my job we don't build weapons, but accessories/enhancements to weapons systems. The troops that depend on those products appreciate us and so does the local economy.
11 Mar 2018, 3:31 am
I'm unappreciative of having words put in my mouth.
All I said was that the black hoodie I'm wearing does not mean I'm out to rob you & I'd prefer not looking down a barrel because of it.
I help build little chunks of the internet to facilitate these debate's & many others; the global economy appreciates it & nobody has to die as a result.
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"Standing on a well-chilled cinder, we see the fading of the suns, and try to recall the vanished brilliance of the origin of the worlds."
-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
11 Mar 2018, 3:32 am
Not my guns but similar.
My carry gun
It replaced my last shortly carry gun, since I got it for half price shortly after I bought my last one which is 
It’s fde Cause I like the color and it pairs with my rifle
Mines heavy barrel and has a standard Cary handle sight.
Also thst may be the new fde, or camera flash, mines darker but fde looks tan in light and green in shade..
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