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31 Jan 2021, 11:02 am

I suppose that after having weathered so many attacks against myself that I have "grown a thicker skin", it seems less than trivial to me for anyone else to feel they are not liked.

I know that people do not like me, but so what? My own father did not like me, and I still became a functional and successful adult.

I also suppose that if people are really all that concerned about being liked, then maybe they should make themselves more likeable.



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31 Jan 2021, 2:11 pm

Fnord wrote:
I also suppose that if people are really all that concerned about being liked, then maybe they should make themselves more likeable.


Nono, see, they want to be liked, not likeable. In the same way people want to be a writer, but don't actually want to write. Or they want to be in charge, but don't actually want to run things. They want the status without the need to do the work.

When they don't get approval, they settle for attention.



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31 Jan 2021, 2:35 pm

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I know that people do not like me, but so what? My own father did not like me, .

Wow. Thats just terrible....and your such a likeable guy...so endearing. Not at all overbearing , condescending or obnoxious. No. Why does everybody hate you? even your own father....Thats unreal. No. It can't be the attitude you project into the world. No, theres nothing wrong with you. It's all on them. they're just ignorant and jealous, they just cant see you're always in the right, and they're all wrong. A Mindset is a terrible thing to waste. Keep on trucking. Don't let the haters get you. Thicken up that skin until you're dead inside and feel nothing. We salute you good sir. and your air of moral superiority that you bring to every thread. *thumbs up*


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31 Jan 2021, 2:51 pm

theprisoner wrote:
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I know that people do not like me, but so what? My own father did not like me, .

Wow. Thats just terrible....and your such a likeable guy...so endearing. Not at all overbearing , condescending or obnoxious. No. Why does everybody hate you? even your own father....Thats unreal. No. It can't be the attitude you project into the world. No, theres nothing wrong with you. It's all on them. they're just ignorant and jealous, they just cant see you're always in the right, and they're all wrong. A Mindset is a terrible thing to waste. Keep on trucking. Don't let the haters get you. Thicken up that skin until you're dead inside and feel nothing. We salute you good sir. and your air of moral superiority that you bring to every thread. *thumbs up*



Not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious.


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31 Jan 2021, 2:59 pm

litmus test.


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31 Jan 2021, 6:54 pm

To clarify and explain further what I'd posted here: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=394080&start=48#p8706091

Members shouldn't dictate how others are expected to respond or demand any particular quality of response, because doing so places an unreasonable burden on others and attempts to pre-emptively redefine how they might have responded.

Instead, members should be permitted to post according to their own knowledge, ability, or interest and not to the expectations of an OP - even if that means responses may miss the point or there is some topic drift, because doing so allows for greater involvement and discussion of other aspects related to the topic.

It's inevitable that some responses might show little understanding of the topic or of its nuances; nevertheless, these should be permitted and not immediately viewed out-of-hand as signifying a deliberate attempt at derailing a thread, or worse, because there are as many ways of responding as there are WP members.

Any topic originator is of course right to have some expectation of what's posted to their own threads but at the same time, a certain degree of generosity is always a good thing when dealing with posts considered to not fully or precisely address the topic at hand.

None of this grants carte blanche to other responses already covered by the site rules and PPR guidelines - or those implied ones addressing blatantly off-topic or trolling posts.

Finally I'd like to apologise unreservedly to Brictoria; I was horrified to read that you felt unwanted or outcast, and that there was a general pile-on attack in progress. That was never my intention and I'm sorry it came over as such.

In my clumsy way I was trying to steer you to be more gentle, to show a little more generosity to the way members respond to your posts, to understand that not everyone responding has or will go into the topic at hand in the same depth as you might have done and that therefore, their responses may not live up to what you expect. But, such is the way of open forums.
So please, be kinder is all I ask.


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31 Jan 2021, 7:15 pm

League_Girl wrote:
theprisoner wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I know that people do not like me, but so what? My own father did not like me...
Wow. Thats just terrible....and your such a likeable guy...so endearing. Not at all overbearing , condescending or obnoxious. No. Why does everybody hate you? even your own father....Thats unreal. No. It can't be the attitude you project into the world. No, theres nothing wrong with you. It's all on them. they're just ignorant and jealous, they just cant see you're always in the right, and they're all wrong. A Mindset is a terrible thing to waste. Keep on trucking. Don't let the haters get you. Thicken up that skin until you're dead inside and feel nothing. We salute you good sir. and your air of moral superiority that you bring to every thread. *thumbs up*
Not sure if you are being sarcastic or serious.
It is sarcasm; hence not worth any direct response from me.  However, it is fair to point out that my father cited me as the reason why he and my mother had to get married, and everything else precipitated from that.



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31 Jan 2021, 7:25 pm

uncommondenominator wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I also suppose that if people are really all that concerned about being liked, then maybe they should make themselves more likeable.
Nono, see, they want to be liked, not likeable. In the same way people want to be a writer, but don't actually want to write. Or they want to be in charge, but don't actually want to run things. They want the status without the need to do the work...
... Or they want a girlfriend, but they do not actually want to make themselves attractive; or they want to get a job, but they do not want to make themselves employable; or ...
uncommondenominator wrote:
When they don't get approval, they settle for attention.
That is my assessment, as well.



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31 Jan 2021, 7:54 pm

It seems to me that any general dislike for Brictoria’s posts is directed towards his political ideologies and maybe not so much towards him personally & he’s conflating the two.

He’d probably find he gets along better with others when he’s not posting things they don’t like so much.

I may be wrong, but it also seems he’s upset that there aren’t a bunch of people here that think & feel the way he does about politics, society, government and all things related. Too bad. Is what it is.

Same same goes for any other unpopular opinions or beliefs. Example: I firmly believe that AS can & should be treated. I do that for myself and it’s worked miracles for my work, financial, & social life. You could say I advocate for these things. But what you can’t say is that my opinion & experience is a popular one here :lol: I’ve caught a lot of flak for sharing it. So be it. IMO it’s valuable enough to stick to my guns on and that’s that. I can deal with the fact that many oppose me or disagree - that’s life.

I think it would serve Brictoria well to simply accept what is about people agreeing or disagreeing with him and just carry on being himself, and if he chooses to engage in political discussion, do so in a manner that’s conducive to healthy discussion & debate vs flame baiting or getting upset or taking disagreement personally etc. No reason we can’t disagree yet still discuss or debate.

My $0.02 fwiw.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:06 pm

I have had this happen to me as well, I ask a question about something (usually about myself) and instead I get answers talking about their own experience as well.

Nothing personal Brictoria, this happens to all of us here. I felt no one attacked you in this thread. Only criticized your sources.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:09 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
It seems to me that any general dislike for Brictoria’s posts is directed towards his political ideologies and maybe not so much towards him personally & he’s conflating the two.

He’d probably find he gets along better with others when he’s not posting things they don’t like so much.

I may be wrong, but it also seems he’s upset that there aren’t a bunch of people here that think & feel the way he does about politics, society, government and all things related. Too bad. Is what it is.

Same same goes for any other unpopular opinions or beliefs. Example: I firmly believe that AS can & should be treated. I do that for myself and it’s worked miracles for my work, financial, & social life. You could say I advocate for these things. But what you can’t say is that my opinion & experience is a popular one here :lol: I’ve caught a lot of flak for sharing it. So be it. IMO it’s valuable enough to stick to my guns on and that’s that. I can deal with the fact that many oppose me or disagree - that’s life.

I think it would serve Brictoria well to simply accept what is about people agreeing or disagreeing with him and just carry on being himself, and if he chooses to engage in political discussion, do so in a manner that’s conducive to healthy discussion & debate vs flame baiting or getting upset or taking disagreement personally etc. No reason we can’t disagree yet still discuss or debate.

My $0.02 fwiw.



Weren't you the one posting about curing autism with diets and talking about how you don't have autism symptoms anymore with your diet?

I remember members were giving you a hard time about it or getting upset about it. I figured it was your special interest so you were sharing it on here for those that do want to improve their autism as well so they can follow your diet guides. I mean if people don't like it, they can simply not read those threads.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:14 pm

Believing that AS should be treated is not the same as believing that AS should be cured.  Sadly, many people see "treatment" and read "cure", or they simply believe that they are one and the same.



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31 Jan 2021, 8:45 pm

League_Girl wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
It seems to me that any general dislike for Brictoria’s posts is directed towards his political ideologies and maybe not so much towards him personally & he’s conflating the two.

He’d probably find he gets along better with others when he’s not posting things they don’t like so much.

I may be wrong, but it also seems he’s upset that there aren’t a bunch of people here that think & feel the way he does about politics, society, government and all things related. Too bad. Is what it is.

Same same goes for any other unpopular opinions or beliefs. Example: I firmly believe that AS can & should be treated. I do that for myself and it’s worked miracles for my work, financial, & social life. You could say I advocate for these things. But what you can’t say is that my opinion & experience is a popular one here :lol: I’ve caught a lot of flak for sharing it. So be it. IMO it’s valuable enough to stick to my guns on and that’s that. I can deal with the fact that many oppose me or disagree - that’s life.

I think it would serve Brictoria well to simply accept what is about people agreeing or disagreeing with him and just carry on being himself, and if he chooses to engage in political discussion, do so in a manner that’s conducive to healthy discussion & debate vs flame baiting or getting upset or taking disagreement personally etc. No reason we can’t disagree yet still discuss or debate.

My $0.02 fwiw.



Weren't you the one posting about curing autism with diets and talking about how you don't have autism symptoms anymore with your diet?

I remember members were giving you a hard time about it or getting upset about it. I figured it was your special interest so you were sharing it on here for those that do want to improve their autism as well so they can follow your diet guides. I mean if people don't like it, they can simply not read those threads.


Something like that, yes.

I’ve never claimed to have a cure or no longer be autistic. I’ve shared that I’ve figured out a diet & treatment protocol that’s drastically reduced symptoms and that I’m able to manage them so they have a minimal impact on my life. Am I subclinical at the best of times? Probably, yes. Am I cured? No - I have to continue the treatment protocol. Is there possibly a cure for this cause of autism? I hypothesized Yes, and over the last several years some doctors and researchers have done it in children using FMT w/ a follow up 2 years later that shows they’re still off the spectrum/sub clinical. Can it work for a 38yo fully grown man? Dunno - but it’s been on my back burner list to explore. Should only cost a couple grand to try and find out. Maybe I’ll get to it before I turn 40. :p

But yeah, discuss it with me or don’t - whatever. 8) Time has passed and medical studies have been published that agree with my own experience, so more people may be more open to the idea(s) now than several years ago vs suggesting I’m lying. But yeah, take it or leave it - whatever. 8)


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31 Jan 2021, 8:48 pm

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Believing that AS should be treated is not the same as believing that AS should be cured.  Sadly, many people see "treatment" and read "cure", or they simply believe that they are one and the same.


I’m a fan of both, but to each their own.

One of my Godsons would have grown up on the spectrum if it weren’t for my intervention when he was an infant. He would have been on the spectrum 100%, but ultra early intervention prevented it - effectively a cure, as it required only input then and no additional ongoing efforts or treatments.

If I could do that for myself I’d choose it over effective treatments. But that’s Me. You do you. 8)


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31 Jan 2021, 8:57 pm

No worries, Goldie.  My only real concern with taking a cure for AS is, "Would I still be me?"

As it is, certain prescribed medications seem to mellow out my world just enough for me to get along with more people than I used to.



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31 Jan 2021, 9:44 pm

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No worries, Goldie.  My only real concern with taking a cure for AS is, "Would I still be me?"

As it is, certain prescribed medications seem to mellow out my world just enough for me to get along with more people than I used to.


Yes, that topic has been brought up with me many times over the years.

I can only speak for my experience: I’m still me, only a better version of me - in general, most of my negative traits are gone or minimized, while I retain the ones that make me a better analyst/problem solver etc and still get to not only use them but use them better while having better relationships and friendships with everyone around me.

But negative things like depression, anxiety, anger/short temper, audio sensitivity, extreme social difficulties etc etc - a bunch of crap I have no use for, those things are gone or minimal.

I MUCH prefer my treated life vs untreated. And if I didn’t, I could just revert back. But after experiencing THIS better life, why would I want to? I don’t.

Then there’s also some much older aspies who have said they’re so used to the way they are and stuck in their ways that they fear change and don’t want to find out what treated life would be like. Does not compute for me - even at 70 someone could have another 30 years to go that could be happier & more optimal.

Those are my opinions based on my personal experiences with all of this stuff over 30 years untreated and now 8 years treated.


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