07 Aug 2007, 11:48 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i know what my heaven is very well thankyou... and it's much better than what the bible describes
Well, we can save that for another forum. I'd bet $1,000,000 you don't know and understand the Bible's description of Heaven. Did you know it has specfic measurements, for example? (And no, guys, they're not "36-24-36"
.)Do you know about the specific jewels each of its twelve steps are made of? How about its streets and its sea? What are they made of? What shape is Heaven?
But I digress...
I have an idea of how heaven is, I was religous before, although it could be a different interpretation from your beliefs I guess.
As I said, the most beautiful utopia.
07 Aug 2007, 11:50 pm
07 Aug 2007, 11:50 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
cause ragtime was using his point that he abstains from sex as being on par with gay people (extreme cases or other) limiting their attraction to the opposite sex
No, I wasn't.
I was equating me denying myself non-marital sex with gays denying themselves homosexual sex.Now, apologize for your error, and march yourself down to my office.
that's the same friggin thing..................
you cannot compare restricting your straight sex to gay people having to like participating in straight sex.
there is no comparison
Why are you changing my words? Twice now. What's the deal?
I didn't say "gay people having to like participating in straight sex", I said "gays denying themsleves homosexual sex". Ah, well, other people see my words correctly.
will you please answer my question that ive asked you to doso?
quit chastizing me before you analzye your comparison.
im saying you have no basis for comparing to the behaviors...
you cannot compare denying premarital sex with denying homosexual sex
im tired you avoiding pivotal questions and then chastizing me...
you do it all the time to me and many other people
you said your homosexual attraction was FORCED... yet would you consider your attraction to other women (premairtial or extramirtal) as being FORCED?
if the answer is no.... you have no right to make that comparison and quit saying im screwing with your words when you know damn well what im getting at
I'm still waiting for your reply to this post Ragtime....
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07 Aug 2007, 11:50 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i know what my heaven is very well thankyou... and it's much better than what the bible describes
Well, we can save that for another forum. I'd bet $1,000,000 you don't know and understand the Bible's description of Heaven. Did you know it has specfic measurements, for example? (And no, guys, they're not "36-24-36"
.)Do you know about the specific jewels each of its twelve steps are made of? How about its streets and its sea? What are they made of? What shape is Heaven?
But I digress...
just causee you're ignoring the point to my posts...
im gonna ignore yours and lol at the fact that you just said heaven has 12 steps...
now i definitely know im not going to your heaven cause im not a quitter!
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07 Aug 2007, 11:52 pm
07 Aug 2007, 11:53 pm
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".
Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?
I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph!
What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.
the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.
that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.
i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"
it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...
just to get into heaven.
JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.
Yeah, the most beautiful utopia
too bad gays are not allowed there, God discriminates.
Actually, no person-to-person marriage, or any sex, will exist there. "It's better than sex," as the expression goes. What we think of as marriage is actually modeled after, and a foreshadowing of, our spiritual union with the Lord. Except it will be perfect, because in Heaven everyone will be completely sinless, and voluntarily so. We'll have shed that skin, so to speak.
Talking about heaven, I always wondered what is the sex or gender of the angels, or are they androgynous? I suppose they are asexuals?
07 Aug 2007, 11:54 pm
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07 Aug 2007, 11:55 pm
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07 Aug 2007, 11:57 pm
i see your point you're making with kids versus parents......
i know you want me to say that they dont imediately understnad and that maybe will grow up to comprehend.....
i dont see why you're stipulating that i answer this before you answer my question.
but i foresee that you're just gonna asnwer my qyestion with a vague claim i dont understand your opinion and that i may someday understand...
when i grow up
07 Aug 2007, 11:59 pm
Sedaka wrote:
i see your point you're making with kids versus parents......
i know you want me to say that they dont imediately understnad and that maybe will grow up to comprehend.....
i dont see why you're stipulating that i answer this before you answer my question.
but i foresee that you're just gonna asnwer my qyestion with a vague claim i dont understand your opinion and that i may someday understand...
when i grow up
i know you want me to say that they dont imediately understnad and that maybe will grow up to comprehend.....
i dont see why you're stipulating that i answer this before you answer my question.
but i foresee that you're just gonna asnwer my qyestion with a vague claim i dont understand your opinion and that i may someday understand...
when i grow up
It's his generic attack.
I've come to understand that's about as much as you'll ever get from him.
And they say I have ego issues.
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07 Aug 2007, 11:59 pm
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Homosexual attraction is for me a forced "Let's see if THIS mindset can work, if I really try".
Who the hell would choose to force themselves to 'try' being gay?
I was trying to empathize with gays, so that I'd learn something of the experience to desire my own gender. It was for you, Soph!
What's the problem with upgrading my own understanding of the issues involved? Would you rather I remain more ignorant?well, it looked like you were stating that gays forced themselves to have that attraction, people who are different from us, would not take that statement in a good way, or at least they would have that interpretation, that if you really meant something else.
the true measure of empathy would be for him to engage in homosexual relations in order to appease god.
that is what i sincerely doubt he could fathom.
i cannot nor could i pretend to do so... in actuality or "fathoming"
it is the same reason that many gay people have issues with religion... because THEY cannot fathom having to have straight sex or deny part of their sexuality...
just to get into heaven.
JUST??? I don't think you understand what Heaven is, or how A W E S O M E it is. It beats anything you can find in this world by about infinity.
Yeah, the most beautiful utopia
too bad gays are not allowed there, God discriminates.
Actually, no person-to-person marriage, or any sex, will exist there. "It's better than sex," as the expression goes. What we think of as marriage is actually modeled after, and a foreshadowing of, our spiritual union with the Lord. Except it will be perfect, because in Heaven everyone will be completely sinless, and voluntarily so. We'll have shed that skin, so to speak.
Yeah this heaven thing sounds really good, very good, too bad we don't know for sure if that will really happen or is just the good imagination of the people who wrote it
but to enter to that place you have to follow some rules and behave in a certain way, this must have been the best thing someone or a group of people ever come up in order to control people in societies for thousands of years.
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08 Aug 2007, 12:06 am
Flagg wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i see your point you're making with kids versus parents......
i know you want me to say that they dont imediately understnad and that maybe will grow up to comprehend.....
i dont see why you're stipulating that i answer this before you answer my question.
but i foresee that you're just gonna asnwer my qyestion with a vague claim i dont understand your opinion and that i may someday understand...
when i grow up
i know you want me to say that they dont imediately understnad and that maybe will grow up to comprehend.....
i dont see why you're stipulating that i answer this before you answer my question.
but i foresee that you're just gonna asnwer my qyestion with a vague claim i dont understand your opinion and that i may someday understand...
when i grow up
It's his generic attack.
I've come to understand that's about as much as you'll ever get from him.
And they say I have ego issues.
i agree to some degree... but he is a good guy and it is good to make people think and hold them accountable to their beliefs whatever they may be... which he is entitled to have.
he does a good job being out there and is generally a good sport about it...
so i hope he doesnt take too much offense by my counters.
08 Aug 2007, 12:06 am
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Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
i dont think a lot of religious types like evolution in any shape or form
I think you're inversely speaking of yourself.
You just don't like the idea of God starting and guiding evolution.
And also, when I study the human body, I see DESIGN, DESIGN, DESIGN all over the place!
You really don't?
When I study a woman's ass... I mean, THAT ... GUY ... KNEW ... WHAT ... HE ... WAS ... DOIN', when makin' that lil piece o' heaven!! !
My point is, to posit evolution: fine. To posit that no one guided it -- WTF?? That's arbitrary.
lol you have cut down all sorts of forms of evolution and do not believe in any proof of it whatsoever...
i am fine with people believing god did it... as i have PMed you...
that's besides the point... im talking about a matter of flexibility and not even in the biological evolution.
i was talking to GB about how some religions accept homosexuality because they are flexible enough to realize the flaws in thinking during the time that the bible was written and have allowed their views regarding homosexuality to evolve and grow... which you have not.
Well, it's not just what the Bible says. Gay sex does seem quite odd to me, from what I've seen during my research.
It just doesn't... jive. The men are clearly in agonizing anal pain, and their faces are so excruciatingly contorted they look like they're about to either run crying to mommy or give birth. And, while the women are more pleasant, because they are the fairer sex... this one's harder to criticize aesthetically. Okay, I'll be honest, I can't criticize it aesthetically. But the argument isn't truly one of aesthetics anyway, I was just using that as an example of gay guys not seeming... truly compatible. The mechanics are wrong -- there's too much friction and pain, torture, going on.
So I really think heterosexuality is more natural than homosexuality. This is hardly a specifically Christian view. Most people from Islam all the way to science agree.
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