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03 Jan 2025, 11:06 am

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Modern Italians can take pride in the fact that St. Peter established the Church in Rome, although that was because Rome was the Coruscant of its time.


That might be an example of "fantapolitic."

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/dai ... r-in-rome/

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So objection to casting a Jewish woman as Mary is essentially old fashioned antisemitism, not any particular concern for the plight of Palestinians of any religious affiliation.


Technically, Palestinians are also Semites. The term "antisemitic" has taken on a provocative meaning, where any critic of official Israeli policy, or anyone having the least sympathy for any Palestinian, is accused and convicted of being "antisemitic."

Those who object to a Jewish woman playing Mary may or may not be motivated by deeply-felt antisemitism, but are, in my view, just plain silly.

Anyway, I guess that most people have forgotten about the movie already, and are ready to be offended by the next manufactured outrage. The movie wasn't that good to begin with.


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03 Jan 2025, 4:56 pm

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I don't care being wrong or right... I just hate passive aggressive behaviors. Good luck for your life. I can close my discussion with you, I didn't sign a contract.


You're not obliged to keep engaging until you make a persuasive argument, but others are allowed to point out that you've failed so far to make a persuasive argument or that you've used a lot of words to effectively say nothing.


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03 Jan 2025, 4:59 pm

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You have to understand that to traditional Christians, all Jews living in the Holy Land at the time of the Crucifixion ought to have followed Jesus being aware of His ministry. Instead most thought him a PITA and were more than happy to yell "crucify his sorry @ss!" when given the opportunity. ( I apologize but that's basically what's depicted in the Bible). Since then, traditional Christians have basically always seen being Jewish as a negative and it's the basis for traditional European antisemitism.

So objection to casting a Jewish woman as Mary is essentially old fashioned antisemitism, not any particular concern for the plight of Palestinians of any religious affiliation.

What you say above may well be true of some of the people objecting, but probably not all.

As far as I am aware, we don't currently have any Palestinian Christians participating here on WP, but here, earlier in this thread, is my best guess as to how they would likely tend to feel about the casting issue and why.


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04 Jan 2025, 12:11 am

Really my last reply is: people move, they were seminomad... this is my last reply. Because it is a waste of time reply to american exceptionist people.
Genetic doesn't belong ti nationality.
I mean using merely genetic americans doesn't exist.

Another small reasonement: you are all defending Palestine, which is great, usinf racist and slur methods which is bad.
You are probably the same who doesn't what an arabic doctor I guess because a racist people is racist, just maybe not with whole races.
You are probably believinf being white and male is better... is useless say how horrible to me is.
So, don't blame me for reply with historically proven facts blaming me for being pro Israel.
I don't hate Israel and I don't hate Palestine... there's no culture in this world that I hate.
But I do hate racism.
This is my last reply: why after 11 September 2001 for fashion everybody were racist against muslims and now racist against jews?
Tomorrow will be against who? Americans?
That's my last reply, because that's what I see... racism.


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04 Jan 2025, 10:35 am

There are Jews who convert to Christianity, even in Israel:

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/beyneyn ... istianity/

They might not count as "Palestinian", but they count as "Christian", and as "Semitic."

Maybe one of them could be tapped for the next movie?


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04 Jan 2025, 11:37 am

Jews for Jesus put together a somewhat-famous video "That Jew Died for You"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4lkdYpR7Jk

I gather that it generated considerable controversy. But, it looks like there are some Jewish Christians with acting talent.


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04 Jan 2025, 11:40 am

Why so much fuss over Mary anyway? It's well known that the "virgin" bit is only due to a mistranslation; it should read "maiden". That is to say, unmarried.



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04 Jan 2025, 12:55 pm

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Why so much fuss over Mary anyway? It's well known that the "virgin" bit is only due to a mistranslation; it should read "maiden". That is to say, unmarried.


You've never met a Catholic?


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04 Jan 2025, 5:19 pm

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gwynfryn wrote:
Why so much fuss over Mary anyway? It's well known that the "virgin" bit is only due to a mistranslation; it should read "maiden". That is to say, unmarried.


You've never met a Catholic?

He lives in France. They haven't seen a Catholic there in 40 years.


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04 Jan 2025, 5:31 pm

:lmao:


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04 Jan 2025, 11:38 pm

This is, I guess, the most viewed Jesus movie



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYX9mkdLIyE

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079368/

A Reviewer wrote:

The most ACCURATE and BRIGHT movie about Jesus Christ! Let the facts speak for themselves (from the 2004 "Jesus: Fact or Fiction" DVD):

= "The most historically accurate film about the life of Jesus Christ"

= "By far the most translated film in history, translated to over 800 languages"

= "5 billion viewers worldwide" (1979-2003)

= "After viewing the film, more than 300 million people have indicated a decision to follow the teachings of Jesus"



Actually filmed in Israel (the one we were discussing was filmed in Morocco).

Mary is played by Rivka Neumann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivka_Neumann

She is Israeli and a lesbian--which might make her an authentic virgin, I don't know. :scratch:

So, your assignment is to watch the film, and let us know if it caused you to decide to follow the teachings of Jesus.


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