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How many times a day do you say to yourself: "I hate Bush"
More than 20 10%  10%  [ 9 ]
More than 20 10%  10%  [ 9 ]
10 to 20 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
10 to 20 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
5 to 10 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
5 to 10 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
2 to 5 7%  7%  [ 6 ]
2 to 5 7%  7%  [ 6 ]
Just once 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Just once 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
None or very rarely 12%  12%  [ 10 ]
None or very rarely 12%  12%  [ 10 ]
None, I like Bush!! 9%  9%  [ 8 ]
None, I like Bush!! 9%  9%  [ 8 ]
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24 Aug 2005, 6:58 pm

'Capitalism myth #23 - Those who work will earn what comes to them

Capitalism fact #23 - Those who kiss a$$ or are related to those in power will earn what they DON'T have coming to them.'


I remember this observation from someone who used to make a LOT of money before he had an NDE experience which turned his life around. He said: Money is indifferent to where it goes or to whom it belongs to. A criminal may acquire stacks of cash while the nice guy ends up in poverty. Money doesn't discriminate. He didn't kiss ass, in fact he more likely kicked ass if anything, he just loved making money.


In relation to Political doctrines, all are relatively perfect and would work, (Marxism has good basic Principles, Capitalism has its positives as we all negatives), if time only stood still and society could be locked into a rigid structure as for example the Feudal period in Japan or the Chinese Dynasties. However, time has a habit of being in flux, a doctrine that was perfect today will already be in decline tomorrow. It's a process of decay, death, regeneration into a new form. It's possible to maintain a continuity, at a price and great cost. Witness the desparate attempts to revive the 'old values' by our Politicians.


Katze :lol:



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25 Aug 2005, 7:45 pm

How often do I say that I hate Bush?

Every time some stupid, idealistic young kid I know enlists in the armed forces to go to Iraq.

Every time I see a crippled up Vietnam Vet, especially the ones who are all f****d up in the head. This is all we need, another generation of this.....

Every time I hear a commentary about the situation in Iraq or the Middle East...I hate the arrogance of our country!! ! :despair:

Whenever I see how our Capitalistic society has screwed us or the environment over in the interest of the big guys with the money...

Or when I hear that the lumber prices are extremely high, because all our forests are being shipped to Iraq to rebuild what that A$$hole bombed.

Whenever I see or hear some brainwashed soul parroting or supporting him....

Ah, the list goes on.

And unfortunately, I don't have a lot of hope anymore that things will ever improve for us. I think our electoral process is so screwed that we just are not going to be able to get a president who is even remotely honest or a fair representative of what the people really want. It's very frightening, but this is where I live, and I don't think we can emigrate to Canada.



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26 Aug 2005, 5:50 pm

Every hour, on the hour.



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26 Aug 2005, 6:53 pm

I voted rarely; simply becasue he does not often find his way into my thoughts.



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08 Sep 2005, 7:59 pm

Dubya's a sneaky little devil...he was able to slip the Roberts nomination while the Hurricane buzz was going, and he's sucking the life and money out of us through mobile gas. I saw a new book out in my local Barnes & Noble that was called "Worse than Watergate". That title just summed up America's past five years.............bad craziness.............. (p.s., I voted more than 20)


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08 Sep 2005, 8:37 pm

If we lived in ancient times, Bush would be one of those rulers who would declare himself a god and order his subjects to worship him.


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09 Sep 2005, 12:07 am

and make a horse a senator?

ah... seems that's already happened... 8O



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09 Sep 2005, 11:25 am

Bush and Right-Wing Politicians (and the idiots who vote for them) are an unfortunate perseveration of mine.

I am trying to cut down on how much I think of them, they just make me so angry. Callous and/or stupid S.O.B.s the lot of them. But I think they raise my blood pressure and so I'm trying to cut down and not watch the news as much.

Too much cruelty and hypocracy. Makes me sick. Gives me headaches. Honestly.


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09 Sep 2005, 11:26 am

Thagomizer wrote:
If we lived in ancient times, Bush would be one of those rulers who would declare himself a god and order his subjects to worship him.


I thought he already did that.

:?: :?: :?:


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09 Sep 2005, 3:08 pm

DinoGirl wrote:
Dubya's a sneaky little devil...he was able to slip the Roberts nomination while the Hurricane buzz was going, and he's sucking the life and money out of us through mobile gas. I saw a new book out in my local Barnes & Noble that was called "Worse than Watergate". That title just summed up America's past five years.............bad craziness.............. (p.s., I voted more than 20)


Ah, DinoGirl, I never thought you would be a Bush hater as well :) :wink: . Its excellent that more people are becoming aware of this crazed bigot, particularly those in America who have the power to vote him out.



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09 Sep 2005, 5:49 pm

Sophist wrote:
Thagomizer wrote:
If we lived in ancient times, Bush would be one of those rulers who would declare himself a god and order his subjects to worship him.


I thought he already did that.

:?: :?: :?:


Hehe, *drums-n-cymbols* BAD-UM, CHING!


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11 Sep 2005, 2:10 am

DinoGirl wrote:
Dubya's a sneaky little devil...he was able to slip the Roberts nomination while the Hurricane buzz was going, and he's sucking the life and money out of us through mobile gas. I saw a new book out in my local Barnes & Noble that was called "Worse than Watergate". That title just summed up America's past five years.............bad craziness.............. (p.s., I voted more than 20)


Remember, Roberts is just one justice, not 5. There is a saying, constitutional law is what 5 justices on the supreme court say is constitutional law. Scalia is 69. Kennedy is 69. Thomas is 57 but fat and black, and thus wont live as long. The court has been liberal from 1937 to today not because of FDR appointments or appointments in the 1960s and 1970s, but due to president after president appointing liberal after liberal, Nixon appointed Rehnquist but also Powell (liberal), Warren Burger (liberal) and Harry Blackmun (not only liberal, but wrote the opinion in Roe v Wade). Ford appointed liberal Stevens (still on the court, although he is 85). Reagan appointed Scalia but also moderates Oconner and Anthony Kennedy. Bush Sr. appointed Thomas but also liberal Souter. Clinton moved the court to the left when he appointed liberal Ginsburg to replace conservative Baron White (who dissented in Roe and voted to overturn Roe in Casey v Planned Parenthood). Bush wont be able to create a 70 year conservative majority or restore the court to how it was in the 1920s. He could move it to the right temporarly or even get some precedents overturned. But the only way to create a conservative majority is to have decade after decade of presidents appoint conservatives. That wont happen. The Supreme Court became liberal just 5 years after the liberal New Deal majority started. It was maintained after and to this day. We are at the very end of the 1968 conservative majority, and they haven't shifted the court yet. How likely do you think it is any democrat will appoint a conservative? Most republicans wouldn't even appoint a hard conservative. Mccain, Guliani, Huckabee, Pataki, Lugar, Hagel, ect ect ect. If any of them or a democrat becomes president in 2008, they will appoint liberals. It isn't a mistake that the court has 7 republicans on it, and yet it has a 6-3 liberal majority on a lot of issues. Justices tend to be liberal, because what the fatwa issuing Pat Robertsons of the world want, and what is considered a conservative justice, is actually so far from the center that they qualify as unusal and extremist. It takes special effort to find and nominate one of these. This is why even most republican presidents don't appoint these kind of justices.



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11 Sep 2005, 2:24 am

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hey, I've been saying it since Dubya got into office. At least 50% of all Americans are dumber than my shoelaces.... Apart from in florida, there it's around 20%, but that includes the people who organise the voting :P


You should try some of us Bush supporters. You think 50% of Americans are dumber than your shoelaces....

I really don't know what to say. Lenin called people like you 'useful idiots' because you would serve their agenda and end up hurting yourself by signing your rights and property away to those in power... Enjoy your socialism, enjoy your lack of guaranteed rights as you are governed by common law, and enjoy not being safe in your own country. There are good reasons why the Americans rebelled against your dictatorship and why you never overthrew it completely to empower yourselves. Your government was born in weakness, and ours in strength. We have a much better hand to play.

Take your insults else where or expect them back.



OH OH OH I LOVE THIS! You probably shouldn't have dropped out of medical assisting school after all. Now liberals want to take away everyones rights! Why? Kelo v New London of course! So liberals on the supreme court want to take away your property rights. Lets look at some of the rights conservative want to take away:

Privacy rights (conservatives don't believe in privacy and think the state should be able to break into your home, and arrest you for having sex ie see Lawrence v Texas).

Gay rights (see Lawrence)

Womens rights (see Casey v Planned Parenthood)

Religious rights (I could give you a liteny of cases, but you can start with Lemon v Conneticit).

Minority rights (conservative Strict Constructionists started the Civil War by saying that blacks were not human in Dredd Scott v Sandford and rulled that compulsorary racial segregation was constitutional in Plessy v Furgeson).

Workers right (such as the right to a minimum wage or to maximum working hours, see Lochncer v New York)

Rights of Children (see a slew of cases from the 1920s).

Rights of free speech (shall I even get started?)

In reality, Kelo was a bad decision. But Kelo is nothing. Very little civil liberty jurispurdence was developed when conservatives controlled the Supreme Court (1850s-1937). The conservatives on the court then were Lazzie-Faire Social Darwin types that denied rights to most groups. Almost all of our civil liberty and civil right caselaw was developed after liberals took after the court in 1937. Conservatives gave us segregation. Liberals ended segregation in Brown v Board, Heart of Atlanta Motel and other cases.



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11 Sep 2005, 2:30 am

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You do not understand the role or scope of government. I have studied political philosophy, structure, and history for most of my life. You direct your hate more readily at the leader of the free world than those who deserve it and then bask in his apparent 'stupidity' while he defends against the hordes who attempt to destroy every liberal tradition of the West. You have my contempt.


jmatucd, I was wondering: have you been living in AMERICA for these past five years??? Bush is corrupt with political greed, self-righteousness and stupidity and he is merely there to put money back into the pockets of the rich. You think this country is actually a Democracy with the full-out aristocracy we have running around? Ha!

Good Lord, you are idealistic. Do you read the bills they pass these days?

1. Ridiculous cuts in healthcare and other aid. (You know in my own state they actually tried to cut OXYGEN EQUIPMENT and DIABETES SUPPLIES???)

2. Murder in Iraq of our soldiers and Iraqis for OIL (not Democracy).

3. Making it easier for big companies to poo-poo GOOD research just so they can get their products out to market (remember Vioxx that correlated with 80,000 heart attacks and among that 30,000 deaths-- and yes, Bushy has made that possibly, too). Researchers warned about Vioxx. The companies were allowed not to listen.

4. Further pollution of our country (example: Mercury. These companies who produce mercury as a by-product have spouted against good research and came to their own conclusion with their OWN researchers that "hot-spots" don't exist because equal amounts of Mercury exist in both the Northeast and the Southeast. However, Methylated Mercury is the real danger-- you know, "Don't eat too much tuna!"-- because certain bacteria are necessary to turn Mercury into Methylated Mercury because the Southeast is a better breeding ground for these bacteria and so they are having more problems).

5. The all-out probability is there will be even MORE cuts in aid for the poor just so the damage in New Orleans and the surrounding areas can be paid for.

Ol' GW has made this all possible and so much more that is just too numerous to mention. And people vote him in on stupid issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage! Where the hell are all these little babies gonna live? HOW long are they gonna live if they don't have healthcare? Life doesn't end right after birth! And by God, someone voting on one or two issues, like something as small as Gay Marriage (I am Gay and I am angry that prejudice has helped to ruin this country even more because someone will actually vote someone like GW in based on an issue like this) and-- yes-- something as small as Abortion (so spite me for it) and now people OUT OF THE WOMB have DIED for all this (the war in Iraw and Hurricane Katrina. Ring any bells?). ARGH! It's insane.

jmatucd, you may have studied the "philosophy of politics" and the "politics of philosophy" and the "philosophy of history" and the "history of politics" and the "life of philosophy" and the "politics of life" and what ever else you care to spout out, but have you actually looked around without your Bush-luvin' rosy-colored glasses at how much suffering he is causing???


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11 Sep 2005, 2:37 am

jmatucd wrote:
You do not understand the role or scope of government. I have studied political philosophy, structure, and history for most of my life. You direct your hate more readily at the leader of the free world than those who deserve it and then bask in his apparent 'stupidity' while he defends against the hordes who attempt to destroy every liberal tradition of the West. You have my contempt.


Didn't Trent Lott say about Clinton in Kosovo in 1999, "we can support the troops but not the president?" Lets look at the record:

Record number of terrorist attacks in 2003. Record in 2004 was three times the 2003 number.

More suicide bombings in iraq in the last 2 years than in all of history before.

Iraq is becoming a new terrorist training center. New terrorists are being recruited because of iraq, going to and training in Iraq, and going back to their home countries (such as England, Spain, Turkey ect) and causing havok.

Al Quaeda is franchizing. Now instead of being controlled by a central nexus in Afghanistan, the local cells are planning, funding and carrying out attacks. Al Quaeda is more of a ideology or brand now than an organization.

8 nuclear weapons built in North Korea since 2003. Iran is getting closer.

Bush is making us safer eh?



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11 Sep 2005, 10:02 am

Maybe if those on the left stopped trying to dehumanise pre-born babies and accepted that killing them was unfortunate (whether you agree with abortion or not) then more people would feel comfortable about supporting them.