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GB: I think we all know the answer to that one - as is evident in a lot of what raggy and his ilk have said about all non-Christians. As far as I'm concerned, wife-beating by anyone, be it muslim, Christian (and yes, you buggers do plenty of it too) or Druid is something that I wouldn't tolerate under any circumstance; and just because some folkloric book says that it may be part of the custom or law doesn't give whoever is doing it carte-blanche to get away with it. Repression of any sort should be done away with, and it seems to me that repression in the name of god is the worst sort. Wars, Inquisitions, torture, if it's in the name of god, you are bound to find some bunch of nutters who'll justify it. No wonder I'm Pagan, with all that thou shalt bollocks and being holier than thou rubbish.... Count me out.

No. Many Muslims are warm, caring people. But the extremist fringe is more than significant in number, and quite deadly in force.
And they are expressly ordered by their holy book to kill those who don't believe their way.


(From http://www.opinionjournal.com/forms/printThis.html?id=110009340&mod=RSS_Opinion_Journal&ojrss=frontpage.)

While not all muslims are terrorists, most terrorists are muslim so something must be wrong with Islam.

if you have unusually high knoledge of contempory global terrorism, would you mind briefly explaining the categorizations and stat breakdown? And if not, then how could you possibly know this?

Actually, your media-formed view of the world is that most terrorists are Muslims. And it is factually incorrect. Look at the Sri Lankan civil war that has raged for decades. Those are the people that invented the suicide belt, and (until Sam stuck his foot into the Euphrates) they used it more than anyone else.

The Irish Republican Army (not to be confused with a Muslim orginazation) killed more Brits in their struggle against the occupation of Northern Ireland than Osama killed Americans on 9-11. Spain has wrestled with blood-thirsty Basque separitists for decades - no Koranic influence. And was not the KKK acting as a terrorist organization for many decades in the US, where it killed and maimed far more than Al Qaeda? Al Qaeda was successful because it was so dramatic - it was able to kill 3000 all at once in front of the media, and the US remains terrorized as a result. If 30,000 people died over the course of a year, and it was spread across the country, people would not change the way they think. They sure didn't when the makers of Vioxx lied about their product and it caused 100,000+ heart attacks.

And you have dodged the big question entirely: is it only terrorism when the little guys do it, but war (and thus OK) when the nation-states do it? Was the Rape of Nanking by the Japanese and the saturation bombing of London by the Germans not acts of terrorism?

And what about the countless campaigns of genocide in the last 100 years? Does that qualify as terrorism? Those were predominantly non-Muslim perpetrators. From Germany to Russia to Cambodia, Indonesia or Rwanda, Muslims were not involved. There is genocide going on in Darfur by one tribe purporting to be Muslim; there was also recently extensive genocide committed against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia by ethnic groups purporting to be Christian. In both cases, the US and Europe sat by and did nothing to stop it.

The only honest conclusion is that most governments and political movements do not practice whatever religion they preach, and that pretty much any corner of the globe can be a focus for inhumane cruelty. Comic book ideas that "we are good, they are bad" are usually incorrect.

THIS IS FU**ING HILARIOUS!! !!

"Woman, it has gone too far. I can't bear it anymore," he tells the men to tell their wives. "If he beats her, the beatings must be light and must not make her face ugly."

I'm imagining Borat saying this.. HAHAHHAHA.

"Unfortunately, many husbands beat their wives only when they get mad, and when they start beating, it as if they are punching a wall – they beat with their hands, right and left, and sometimes use their feet. Brother, it is a human being you are beating. This is forbidden. He must not do this."

HAHAHAHHAHA!! ! Someone should give this guy a TV show.

Just kidding serious people, this is bad, bad, bad. And terrorists, they are bad too.

I don't know much about Islam but I believe different interpretations of the writings must exist as well different denominations, and...
Aren't they also ordered to kill in the OT from the Bible? as they also follow some of those writings, the Torah.

I wouldn't doubt it, greenblue. Matter of fact, with some of the nasty hi-jinks Raggy's deity got up to in the early days, it makes me wonder whether he sported a comb-over and moustache similar to the guy that pinched it off Chaplin..... Considering that fellow was Jewish as well.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah - god supposedly told whoever it was to go and find the righteous in the cities. he was asked 'what if I find fewer?' and God was to have said they shall be saved. Then the number got down to less than 20, and then the angel (or whoever) only found Lot's family. Instead of keeping his bargain, God said f*ck it and destroyed them (according to the book, but we all know better). What a bastard. And I don't even need to go on about Job and the crap he was put through. And while the Christians are praying to this god of theirs, who makes everyone scared s**tless of doing anything wrong, they go and curse the Muslims and other religious faiths for having the temerity to exist let alone praise their deity. No wonder so many people turn their backs on religion and think that it's all a load of hogwash. If Jesus was alive today he'd wonder where he and his 'father' went wrong.

Wife beaters are idiots and obnxious into the bargain. They just show how pathetic and inadequate they truly are.

I chose the third option.

Tim

This thread is weird.

Tim

No. They never converted by the sword in the OT.

All Muslims who follow the Qur'an are. That is simple logic:
1. The Qur'an says to kill all who don't believe.
2. True Muslims follow the Qur'an.
Therefore,
3. True Muslims will be ready to kill to advance the cause of Islam.
And, ergo, suicide bombers are good Muslims.

I believe the figure is 99+% of all terrorists worldwide are Muslim. But remember, we're not supposed to draw conclusions!

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Uh, right... the media flames Muslims. Did you know that when a Muslim terrorist does, or tries, an act of terrorism, the media routinely search for and report ANY non-Arab alias he's EVER had (even if he legally changed his name years ago) and call him by that name? Richard Reid is one example. And the same goes for Muslim groups, as in the case of the "Chechen rebels". Bet you didn't know they're Muslisms, and that their attacks are rooted in their faith. The media routinely tries to hide the Muslim status of terrorists and terrorist groups. It is an obvious bias, but made less obvious by the lockstep unity with which all the liberal media (which is the vast majority of all media) enact this policy.

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Are most terrorists muslims, or
are most terrorists from certain regions in the middle east?

I think there is a difference there.