Any Christian Aspies out there?

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so? here's another: why do people, after centuries of death, hatred, fear and immorality still believe in religions, gods, or spiritual leaders?

I fail to see how having a difference in opinion is a bullet that has landed on this board? Disagree with it but it is not something that is made up as something to annoy you personally or christians in general even. He has a religious belief just like you have one and he has as much right to have it as you, your's. Personally id wish everyone would grow up and accept there is no great ghostly power up there looking over us but i cant force people to believe otherwise so religious people should stop trying to force god down our necks.

Right. Like you, I do not believe in "great ghostly [powers] up there," but I do believe in God.

If you cling to that image, it is understandable that you could never conceive of what I believe we all have experienced, and some of us recognize.

And, by the way, who is trying to force anything down your throat? Is anyone here forcing messages at you in any way? Or, are you reading what people write of your own volition and exercising your right and privilege of responding to it as you please.

We do not accuse you of shoving your atheism down our throats. Why do you see it the other way around?

As I have stated above, I am neither offended nor confused by what you write. I have viewed the world in the same manner. I do not now.

First, there are people out there who have a different opinion than you. Their opinions are valid. Do you have a problem with it because it makes you insecure about your own beliefs? If you don't like that thread, don't go there.

Second, this is not a board that is meant for Christians, it is a board for people with AS and other ASDs. Therefore, people who disagree with Christianity are allowed to be here, whether or not you like it.

Soma, get over it!

LoL i dont believe i have experienced and christians powers of recognition is better. To the contrary i think religious people are failing to recognize logic or fact. My comment about religion being shoved down my throat is more of a general comment when for example i wanted to join the local scouts i had to act all protestant or if i missed mass my catholic school would give me into trouble for it despite being none of their business really.

It is also evident to a lesser extent on this board when christians will mention god in threads that arent anything to do with him though i recognize some people are exited about their beliefs and want to share them but i think it best if god isnt constantly brought up outside the religious debates or christian chat thread that is solely for the use of christians.

Keep it civil please folks.

Soma, it might help if you explain why you feel the thread you linked to is 'a bullet on this board' and 'sickening'. It does not appear to be offensive (or even particularly heated), However, the implication that not believing in Jesus is sickening does appear to have caused some offence, so if you can clarify that people might stop flaming.

Thank you...

Happily, logic isn't everything. That has been in general philosophical agreement since at least the Enlightenment. It is something, surely, but not everything.

With all due respect to the fact that these choices were probably made more by your parents than by you, just what did you expect? The creed of the Boy Scouts is clear and public enough. (Whether it should receive the use of public facilities in the US is another and debatable question). Clearly Catholic School is going to shove religion down your throat. Just what were you expecting. One could always not be a Boy Scout or go to public or non-sectarian private schools.

I will grant your point to a degree here. Clearly posts like some of the above demonstrate a narrow-mindedness that borders on religious bigotry. In the matter of people mentioning God on other forums, I would object to their not being permitted to do so, just as I would object to any effort to control the political views, the "curbie" or anti-curbie views presented, or any other subjective and debatable opinion presented on these forums. Sometimes you have to be willing to be made a little uncomfortable.

It is not, by the way, my intention to make you feel such. You are an intelligent person with well presented ideas on many different topics. We sometimes disagree, but I have always found discussion with you to be respectful.

Just so you know, as a Catholic, I do not believe that one must feel as I do to be "saved." Even if that were the teaching of my church, which it is not, it would not be my belief.

I find disagreement to be extremely healthy and would be bored in a world where it did not exist. As Aspies (and other folks on the spectrum) we sometimes have a hard time, however, predicting how folks will react to what we have to say (I'm a little worried about what I said one paragraph up). That's just one more thing we all need to deal with.

Another point here. How one defines "logic or fact" depends entirely upon the current paradigm of reality. The current western paradigm is one of many. I submit that there will be more. And, so, the nature of "fact and logic" will continue to radically change. Under one paradigm, it was perfectly logical and fact-based that the world was flat.

Voltaire reminds us that this is not "the best of all possible worlds." Therefore, we cannot lay claim to the "best of all possible paradigms." That being the case, the notions of logic and fact become very fuzzy in the larger scheme of things. And, the notion of a diety is, of course, in the larger scheme of things.

Ha, the religious people like to make things fuzzy but the fact is that there is no evidence to back up their claims and so it must be treated as a fairytale just like Robin Hood or King Arthur and the round table. The boy scouts shouldnt let people of other religions join if they expect you to be protestant while your there.

Because of devisions here if you are from an Irish background you go to a cathlolic school and i didnt have much choice in the matter i am a Celtic supporter so would probably be the only one in a protestant school (you dont really know the structure here but it is complicated but catholic Celtic supporting schools or protestant Rangers supporting schools where the only choices and im never in my life going to support Rangers or be a protestant even if God came down to announce he was one and it is our only saving grace) they still dont have the right to give me all the BS over stuff i didnt have the power to control.

Even if you disagree with these instances there are many other instances of religion and bigotry being shoved down my throat in places of work and Orange and Hibernian marches full of bitter hatred. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but it shouldnt be forced on people or down their throats (here for instances the great majority of protestants and catholics dont go to mass and have no beliefs but have been forced by convention and their schools to be baptised/christened )and that state should be more independant of churches, if you fail to recognise that some religious people do that then i disagree.

I had no idea that things were like that in Scotland. Everyone knows about Ireland, but I think you would find few Americans who think of that as being the case in Scotland as well. I can certainly understand that one-sidedness of your convictions in the matter, given you life's circumstances. You should try to understand that the "facts" that impact upon you are not in a linear relation to religious faith itself, and, therefore, your response to them is affected by the setting in which you exist (as is true for all people). So, once again, "logic and facts" are dependent upon a cultural paradigm and are not, historically or culturally, the absolutes you think they are.

Haha, nice try in making out im biased against god due to the differences in Scotland. If anything my upbringing biased me towards christianity as that was what i was steeped in and i believed in god until i got older and looked at the facts. Look at all the religions with all their different stories and they all believe they are right.

I wouldnt let a few nasty christians put me off my faith in god if i actually believed that Jesus Christ was our saviour. I would then be a liberal christian though i couldnt join a church that asks me to sing political songs or national anthems that i dont find to my liking. I have had good experiences with the church as well and looked up to some priests and even was an altar boy but im grown up now and try to be a logical person so am sceptical of any religions or other things that isnt proven or even likely in my eyes. I suppose it's just one of those things that will never be resolved as beliefs are but our own.

Unlike some, I am not seeking resolution. I am just hoping that one day you begin to perceive that something does not have to be "likely in your eyes" to exist. It doesn't have to be anyone's idea of a God or anything else in particular. It's just that your view, right now, is more narrow than the true possibilities of man (or woman).

What do you mean possibilities exactly? It is religion that has held back a lot of possibilities and still does in the world, particularly the fundamentalists. I personally think it is about belonging and wishful thinking but where do you see me being close minded about anything when i am always willing to change my views on things as i get older though i really doubt this is one of them but never say never.....

Youll need to explain it better to me im afraid but it is probably just a difference in perception, i am being logical and you have "faith". That probably sounds arrogant but it is hard not to when one is quite sure of something and it is what what i truly believe unless i see evidence to the contrary. Blind faith without evidence just doesnt seem like something i can adhere to.

As I've said before, the evidence which some people feel they have experienced just isn't what you would define as such.

There's an old story (true, I understand) about a Christian Theology professor beginning the semester in some College. A student in the class immediately challenged the entire course by saying, "I'll become a believer when I can see God under a microscope." The teacher responded, "That's when I'll become an atheist."

I hope that you don't think you have to grow older before you can open you mind to other possibilities (as you state, I'm certain not intentionally, in your post).

No i didnt mean it that way i mean i have changed my position through the years on things so it isnt impossible, though highly unlikely that il change my mind on this subject. I know quite a lot of people start going to church when they're older so i guess some of them do it as a sort of afterlife insurance.

Some may. Others may become honestly convinced.