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23 Aug 2008, 7:40 pm

You know, my opinion is that war is necessary but not evil. Here is why:

1) People suck
2) Based upon 1, less people would be better
3) Wars decrease the human population
4) Therefore war is good



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23 Aug 2008, 7:43 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
You know, my opinion is that war is necessary but not evil. Here is why:

1) People suck
2) Based upon 1, less people would be better
3) Wars decrease the human population
4) Therefore war is good


:lol:

A lot of good people also die in wars. Not all people suck. If you hate everyone, then war is indeed good for you.

Are there too many people around? Do we need a new plague?



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23 Aug 2008, 7:50 pm

corroonb wrote:
A lot of good people also die in wars. Not all people suck.

Assertions.
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If you hate everyone, then war is indeed good for you.

Are there too many people around? Do we need a new plague?

Oh yes, oh yes, too many, need another plague.



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23 Aug 2008, 7:55 pm

AG have you been up all night again. Get some sleep you're sounding cranky :)

Seriously though people do believe what you just wrote, Generally they are coming from the privileged position that they will not be the ones affected.


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23 Aug 2008, 7:56 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
corroonb wrote:
A lot of good people also die in wars. Not all people suck.

Assertions.


Are you a person? If so, then you suck and by your logic, you should kill yourself for being a person and sucking. I wouldn't suggest you do this.

:wink:



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23 Aug 2008, 7:58 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
AG have you been up all night again. Get some sleep you're sounding cranky :)

Seriously though people do believe what you just wrote, Generally they are coming from the privileged position that they will not be the ones affected.

No, I am just a cynical, bitter person.

Well, somewhat, few are so anti-life as I am, as most of the people you speak of I think will tend to use the following argument:

1) Some people suck
2) War is likely to get rid of these people
3) Therefore war is good

If they generally believed people sucked, then their position really wouldn't matter so much.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:02 pm

corroonb wrote:
Are you a person? If so, then you suck and by your logic, you should kill yourself for being a person and sucking. I wouldn't suggest you do this.

:wink:

Why should I do that? If I kill myself but do not plan on breeding in the first place, I really do not impact the long-run population much at all. I mean, a more logical thing might be to try to promote the consumption of goods that have an externality or promote war or some other thing, so that I can reduce more life before I die. Not only that, but I could also argue that despite my sucking, I like myself.



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23 Aug 2008, 8:02 pm

@ AG
So would you happily live in a war zone, or are your views reliant on the probability that this will not happen


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23 Aug 2008, 8:16 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
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So would you happily live in a war zone, or are your views reliant on the probability that this will not happen

I think I am talking too much and letting a cynicism of mine go on too long. :twisted:



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23 Aug 2008, 8:19 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
DentArthurDent wrote:
@ AG
So would you happily live in a war zone, or are your views reliant on the probability that this will not happen

I think I am talking too much and letting a cynicism of mine go on too long. :twisted:


Mmmm just a tad. :lol:


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23 Aug 2008, 8:59 pm

If someone attempts and continues attempting to kill you, do you let them?
If someone expresses plans to kill you or a friend of yours, do you sit back and watch?



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23 Aug 2008, 9:10 pm

The Allies did not start WW2. They just responded to it, and if they hadn't ...



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23 Aug 2008, 9:55 pm

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The Allies did not start WW2. They just responded to it, and if they hadn't ...


Read what I said. better still check out the history, Britain and France sowed the seeds for what happened. It is highly probable that if they had not done what they did the world would never have heard of corporal hitler. Its funny that you dont agree with this view because the allies for once, learnt from the mistakes of the past, and instead of destroying Germany and Japan, they rebuilt both countries, pouring huge amounts of money and resources into both.

Britain and France were at the root cause of WW2 and again you prove my point, The general populations of the WW2 allies are ignorant of the truth. Please stop believing that WW2 was 'just'.

Next you'll be telling me that the root cause of WW1 was Gavrilo Princip shooting Archduke Franz Ferdinand


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23 Aug 2008, 10:01 pm

I believe that resources are the primary catalyst for war. This includes fuel, food, space, heat, electricity, etc... When resources are available in abundance, people prosper. Imagine not having to worry about paying an electric or heating bill, or perhaps a vehicle that has unlimited range. What if food and sustenance were freely available to all. People fight because of disparity, an imbalance of power and resources caused by greedy, unreasonably selfish, pessimistic, cynical individuals. Some argue that religion is the reason. Religion is an obvious control mechanism that also seems to be about resource alottment and allocation. Money, cash, currency, is an illusion. Currency is a reflection of our resource stream. When we produce a supply of renewable energy in abundance, we will end most war. I personally have no reservations against robotic systems growing food or taking a personal space craft for a cruise around Jupiter. When we solve our current energy needs we will evolve to the next level.

"The Singularity is"



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23 Aug 2008, 10:04 pm

Psimulus wrote:
I believe that resources are the primary catalyst for war. This includes fuel, food, space, heat, electricity, etc... When resources are available in abundance, people prosper. Imagine not having to worry about paying an electric or heating bill, or perhaps a vehicle that has unlimited range. What if food and sustenance were freely available to all. People fight because of disparity, an imbalance of power and resources caused by greedy, unreasonably selfish, pessimistic, cynical individuals. Some argue that religion is the reason. Religion is an obvious control mechanism that also seems to be about resource alottment and allocation. Money, cash, currency, is an illusion. Currency is a reflection of our resource stream. When we produce a supply of renewable energy in abundance, we will end most war. I personally have no reservations against robotic systems growing food or taking a personal space craft for a cruise around Jupiter. When we solve our current energy needs we will evolve to the next level.

"The Singularity is"



Exactly. and this is what caused WW2 Britain and France took all of Germany's resources causing Germany to fight back


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23 Aug 2008, 10:22 pm

I really can not tell if that is sarcasm or not. No doubt WW2 was about resources. Hitler was a byproduct, a catalyst, and a tool.