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19 Dec 2008, 12:33 pm

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20 Dec 2008, 1:18 pm

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20 Dec 2008, 2:04 pm

"No man is an island."
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20 Dec 2008, 7:33 pm

Oh, you'll never hear one of us repeating gossip,
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20 Dec 2008, 8:31 pm

Magnus wrote:
"No man is an island."
-Kurt Vonnegut


Confusing Kurt Vonnegut with John Donne must require massive brain damage.



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21 Dec 2008, 12:16 am

Quote:
Magnus wrote:
"No man is an island."
-Kurt Vonnegut

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Confusing Kurt Vonnegut with John Donne must require massive brain damage.


Jeez Sand, who pissed in your cheerios? I wrote that quote from memory. Have you read Sirens of Titan?
In the book the main characters wife is a poet and writes, "no man is an island." That was where I first read it. I may have some brain damage, but I wouldn't say it's massive. I can't remember names so I forgot the name of the main character in the book. It's very frustrating because I do have an excellent memory otherwise.


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21 Dec 2008, 1:07 am

Magnus wrote:
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"No man is an island."
-Kurt Vonnegut

Sand:
Confusing Kurt Vonnegut with John Donne must require massive brain damage.


Jeez Sand, who pissed in your cheerios? I wrote that quote from memory. Have you read Sirens of Titan?
In the book the main characters wife is a poet and writes, "no man is an island." That was where I first read it. I may have some brain damage, but I wouldn't say it's massive. I can't remember names so I forgot the name of the main character in the book. It's very frustrating because I do have an excellent memory otherwise.


I am a great admirer of both Vonnegut and Donne but as someone familiar with Donne for over 60 years and a devotee of poetry both in reading and writing it merely seemed totally incredible an intelligent and well read person would not recognize Donne's wonderful phrase. I apologize for my enthusiasm.

FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

John Donne



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21 Dec 2008, 1:39 am

I'm not familiar with John Donne. :oops: There is a book called, "For whom the Bells toll" by Ernest Hemingway which was probably inspired by his poem. Also, there is a Metallica song called, "For Whom the Bells Toll".
I guess Vonnegut ripped off John Donne in Sirens of Titan. I don't have the book handy. The poem is at the end when the husband and wife are all alone.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-KjkdDozQ[/youtube]

Make his fight on the hill in the early day
Constant chill deep inside
Shouting gun, on they run through the endless grey
On the fight, for they are right, yes, by whos to say?
For a hill men would kill, why? they do not know
Suffered wounds test there their pride
Men of five, still alive through the raging glow
Gone insane from the pain that they surely know
[chorus:]
For whom the bell tolls
Time marches on
For whom the bell tolls

Take a look to the sky just before you die
It is the last time you will
Blackened roar massive roar fills the crumbling sky
Shattered goal fills his soul with a ruthless cry
Stranger now, are his eyes, to this mystery
He hears the silence so loud
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be
Now they will see what will be, blinded eyes to see


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21 Dec 2008, 1:52 am

Magnus wrote:
I'm not familiar with John Donne. :oops: There is a book called, "For whom the Bells toll" by Ernest Hemingway which was probably inspired by his poem. Also, there is a Metallica song called, "For Whom the Bells Toll".
I guess Vonnegut ripped off John Donne in Sirens of Titan. I don't have the book handy. The poem is at the end when the husband and wife are all alone.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX-KjkdDozQ[/youtube]

Make his fight on the hill in the early day
Constant chill deep inside
Shouting gun, on they run through the endless grey
On the fight, for they are right, yes, by whos to say?
For a hill men would kill, why? they do not know
Suffered wounds test there their pride
Men of five, still alive through the raging glow
Gone insane from the pain that they surely know
[chorus:]
For whom the bell tolls
Time marches on
For whom the bell tolls

Take a look to the sky just before you die
It is the last time you will
Blackened roar massive roar fills the crumbling sky
Shattered goal fills his soul with a ruthless cry
Stranger now, are his eyes, to this mystery
He hears the silence so loud
Crack of dawn, all is gone except the will to be
Now they will see what will be, blinded eyes to see



Strange. I do not see "No man is an island" (which appears in the Donne poem) in the Vonnegut verse.



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21 Dec 2008, 2:05 am

Those are lyrics to the song I posted.


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23 Feb 2009, 12:34 am

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To be free means to become responsible for one's mistakes and most people flee from that possibility.


"There are all kinds of flights from responsibility: there is a flight into death, a flight into illness and finally a flight into stupidity. The last is the least dangerous and most comfortable, because even for clever people the way tends not to be as far removed as they might like to think it is."
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23 Feb 2009, 12:49 am

Ahaseurus2000 wrote:

"There are all kinds of flights from responsibility: there is a flight into death, a flight into illness and finally a flight into stupidity. The last is the least dangerous and most comfortable, because even for clever people the way tends not to be as far removed as they might like to think it is."
- Arthur Schnitzler

"When they are preparing for war, those who rule by force speak most copiously about peace until they have completed the mobilization process."
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23 Feb 2009, 1:06 am

Eric Berne -

“No man is a hero to his wife's psychiatrist.”

“Each person designs his own life, freedom gives him the power to carry out his own designs, and power gives the freedom to interfere with the designs of others.”

“A whole page of learned polysyllables may not convey as much as the statement that a certain woman is a b***h, or that a certain man is a jerk.”


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