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Accelerator
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06 Dec 2008, 6:17 pm

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I can easily defend the ideals of Christianity regardles of the Crusades, which weren't really about Christianity at all. All I have to do is refer you to the source-material that is the Gospels and the unwavering nature of Christ Himself.

On the other hand ... go to hell, Accelerator.

What I wrote was intended as a friendly remark.. maybe you misunderstood my intent....... it happens.. :-(

If this was the case.. I forgive you.

What I was trying to say.. was..

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06 Dec 2008, 6:44 pm

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Although Accelerator is not a member of your cult, therefore does not believe in hell, I still think it was a bit rude to just say "go to hell" as it's generally referred to as being offensive in our general culture. Also responding to your other post in which you said "It sounds like you have your mind quite firmly made up. So what you're posting here is pointless.". I must say, coming from you of all people this is stunning. You're by far one of the most closed minded people in this topic (religion), you would absolutely never change your opinion, even if Zeus were to show you himself that he exists and threaten to strike you with lightening, you would never change your opinion, and you're telling others their posts are useless? Why is it that you continue to post such useless content yourself?

Zorp, you're one to talk about being rude.

Most of the time, I'm polite and congenial to other WP users. But if somebody really wants to bust my balls I will respond in kind.

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06 Dec 2008, 7:30 pm

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Most of the time, I'm polite and congenial to other WP users. But if somebody really wants to bust my balls I will respond in kind.

In forums it is all too easy to read people the wrong way.. I can assure you I had no such intentions.. in fact I like your posts.. even if I don't always agree.. that doesn't mean that I don't respect you.

I joke around.. it's my nature.. but it is never intended to be offensive.. I see it as being friendly.. which is why I put a wink with the remark.. to show it was meant to be taken lightly.

I like to feel that most of us are here to publish our opinions and to have them critisized.. and to have a healthy debate.

"Opposition is true friendship." wrote Willian Blake

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Probably because it keeps us thinking.

And.. isn't it better to be friendly.. ?

Working together.. to get at the truth.

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If you seek to know the nature of a friend, ask not his companion, but pass a time alone with him. Debate with him, testing his heart by his words and his bearing.

That which goeth into the store-house must come forth, and the things that are thine must be shared with a friend.”

Hermes Trismegistus

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06 Dec 2008, 8:07 pm

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LKL wrote:

Some of us are theists who turned atheist *because* we read the bible and found it abhorent.

"The truth doesn't change just because we don't like it." - iamnotaparakeet/Ragtime (not sure of this though)

That's a non-sequitur.

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06 Dec 2008, 8:44 pm

A little scripture never hurt me either, regardless of what I believe.

Accelerator wrote:

The doc says I have bronchitis.

Flowers.. fruit.. and get well cards will be warmly recieved.. ;-)

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06 Dec 2008, 9:21 pm

LKL wrote:

greenblue wrote:

LKL wrote:

Some of us are theists who turned atheist *because* we read the bible and found it abhorent.

"The truth doesn't change just because we don't like it." - iamnotaparakeet/Ragtime (not sure of this though)

That's a non-sequitur.

Not exactly, it does kinda follow actually, it can be argued that refusing to believe something can be related to find that something uncomfortable and being why rejecting it over something more pleasant and convenient to the individual, an example of this, when that choice is motivated by a negative experience, fear, hope, etc. rather than doing an honest critical thinking, it becomes biased and subjective, and I ask how accurate and reliable is that?

That doesn't mean every atheist or nonbeliever is like that, but surely the reasons why choosing what to believe or what not to believe, can be related to this, selective perception, and that goes both ways, for non-believers and for believers as well.

If the reason is because of finding something abhorent or disgusting, that seems to be the case, which that in itself, does not make something either truth or false, as it can be one of those regardless.

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06 Dec 2008, 9:28 pm

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Some of us are theists who turned atheist *because* we read the bible and found it abhorent.

Why is it abhorent to tear down organised religion.. and to replace it with the core human values like.. loving kindness.. righteousness.. justice.. peace.. wisdom.. truth and freedom.. ?

I'm sorry.. but I am unable to follow your reasoning.

Does this really sound so abhorent.. ?

It appears to be Stephan Dawkins friendly.

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“Incense_ it is something detestable to me. New moon and Sabbath, the calling of a convention_ I cannot put up with the use of uncanny power along with the solemn assembly.

Your new moons and your festal seasons my soul has hated. To me they have become a burden; I have become tired of bearing them.

And when you spread out your palms, I hide my eyes from you.
Even though you make many prayers, I am not listening; with bloodshed your very hands have become filled.

Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the badness of your dealings from in front of my eyes; cease to do bad.
Learn to do good; search for justice; set right the oppressor; render judgment for the fatherless boy; plead the cause of the widow."

Isaiah 1:2

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Not such a bad idea.. really.

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06 Dec 2008, 9:58 pm

claire333 wrote:

A little scripture never hurt me either, regardless of what I believe.

Accelerator wrote:

The doc says I have bronchitis.

Flowers.. fruit.. and get well cards will be warmly recieved.. ;-)

Thank you.. thank you.. thank you.. for the card.. :-)

Would you like hourly updates on my condition.. 24/7.. ?

Would you like to see my charts.. ?

I guess I can't expect to get much sympathy on an aspie forum.. :-(

But you can't say I didn't try...

Shall I start a new topic for the hourly updates.. ;-)

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06 Dec 2008, 10:09 pm

Accelerator wrote:

Shall I start a new topic for the hourly updates.. ;-)

Oh gee...What did I get myself into now? :wink:

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06 Dec 2008, 10:34 pm

greenblue wrote:

LKL wrote:

greenblue wrote:

LKL wrote:

Some of us are theists who turned atheist *because* we read the bible and found it abhorent.

"The truth doesn't change just because we don't like it." - iamnotaparakeet/Ragtime (not sure of this though)

That's a non-sequitur.

Ok, for one thing you're assuming that the bilble is logical and believable (it is not) as well as abhorent. For another, it is also just as illogical to believe something because you *like* it as it is to disbelieve it because you *dislike* it. Theists, quite frankly, fall prey to this sort of thinking far more than atheists: they believe in god because they like the idea of going to heaven when they die, and they disbelieve in human evolution because they don't like the idea that at some point in the past humans and monkeys shared a common ancestor.

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If the reason is because of finding something abhorent or disgusting, that seems to be the case, which that in itself, does not make something either truth or false, as it can be one of those regardless.

And if someone has faith in the bible, despiet all of the ... let's say, "mysteries" of the cult, because they want to believe in all of the nice things that we of Christian descent are generally told about Jesus, and then they read the actual Bible and find out that not only was God not nice, but Jesus wasn't nice either, then the entire suspension of disbelief is removed and they use the logic that they had deliberately held in abeyance.

Note that I am not arguing about myself, btw; I was not raised religious becaue *my parents* had experiences similar to those above. I was allowed to decide for myself.

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06 Dec 2008, 10:37 pm

Accelerator wrote:

LKL wrote:

Some of us are theists who turned atheist *because* we read the bible and found it abhorent.

Why is it abhorent to tear down organised religion.. and to replace it with the core human values like.. loving kindness.. righteousness.. justice.. peace.. wisdom.. truth and freedom.. ?

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I suspect that you are taking my statement in the exact opposite meaning of what I was trying to say. I find humanism beautiful, not abhorent; it's the god of the Bible that I was denigrating.

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It appears to be Stephan Dawkins friendly.

Who?
I've read some books by a Richard Dawkins, but I've never heard of Stephan.

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07 Dec 2008, 2:11 am

slowmutant wrote:

z0rp wrote:

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Zorp, you're one to talk about being rude.

Most of the time, I'm polite and congenial to other WP users. But if somebody really wants to bust my balls I will respond in kind.

And I'm not polite most of the time? You seem to quite often misinterpret others' opinions as being attacks or offensive towards you when we're just trying to have a discussion here.

Also I wasn't making the point of calling you rude, I was simply saying that by your own statement your own posts are 'useless'.

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07 Dec 2008, 10:07 am

Accelerator wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Most of the time, I'm polite and congenial to other WP users. But if somebody really wants to bust my balls I will respond in kind.

In that case I owe you an apology, Accelerator. But I still haven't figured you out. Your constant use of Bible quotations made me think you were a believer, like myself. But some of your later posts made you sound militantly and bitterly anti-theist. So I am a bit confused.

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07 Dec 2008, 4:09 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Fraya wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

It sounds like you have your mind quite firmly made up. So what you're posting here is pointless.

Strongly held opinions are invalid and shouldn't be shared? Why didn't I get the memo?

If you really don't want to have your mind changed, you should not write a post which seems to invite others to change your mind. I can respect your position as an atheist, but not this apparent intellectual dishonesty. Otherwise, everything you write is just a taunt and a jeer.

I did not invite any ridicule towards your religion, and I realise now I was quite sarcastic. I am open to the discussion but I was merely posting reasons why I am an atheist. I respect others opinions and will have a well balanced (I hope) discussion with any people who have something wrong with what I have said. However what I won't tolerate is anybody turning around and telling me I have deliberatly insulted a specific group of people. I have not insulted them. I have simply stated my personal opinions. And if a person who has made up there mind about something and is not likely to change it shouldn't post, you're a hypocrite slowmutant.

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07 Dec 2008, 4:27 pm

Maybe I am. If someone caught me in a hypocrasy, I'd have to concede the point. If someone catches me doing a bad thing, I won't deny it.

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07 Dec 2008, 4:35 pm

slowmutant wrote:

Maybe I am. If someone caught me in a hypocrasy, I'd have to concede the point. If someone catches me doing a bad thing, I won't deny it.

I'm sorry to put it so bluntly. The last thing I want is to start an arguement. Thanks for bringing some much needed flavour to the conversation anyway

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