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08 Dec 2008, 1:08 am

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Creationism is what happens when you interpret stuff literally... Surprisingly, all of the Young-Earth creationists I know are NTs, while I don't know any aspies, even christians, that believe in a literal 7-day creation...

Most sane adherents to Christianity I know believe that, yes, God created the heavens and the Earth, in an event roughly 13.7 billion years ago called the Big Bang. Since, according to my own (and many other mainline Christian) beliefs, He created the universe and all that is within it, that means that He also created the laws of physics, and let them do the work. It's not Deism, it's more like He's rendering an entire universe in real-time, which any gamer or 3D modeling buff would recognize as a true measure of His power...

Are you sure creationism strictly applies to young-earth? As much as I keep hearing it I would have sworn it extended to any uncaused cause.

Theistic evolutionists could be called Old-earth creationists. I think you're right. It applies to anyone who thinks the world was created by a sky-being.

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08 Dec 2008, 1:52 am

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I think those great wars would have happened anyway, and if you actually read the Bible, the intended message of Christianity becomes clear. People have been doing it wrong for a long long time.

The Crusades-- what could be more un-Christian than killing your neighbour in the name of God when you were called to love your neighbour? I will be the first to point out the discrepancies between word and deed down through the ages. But what does this really indicate?

The church is corrupt mainly because it's an organization of men. And men are sinful.

It indicates that humans will never separate the misinterpretations and misapplications from that true message. Any good design engineer will tell you that one should reduce problematic features, even at the cost of a beneficial one. A doctor would say you excise some healthy tissue along with a tumour. A safety margin.

Can you remove all sin from man? No.

Can you remove man from religion? No.

Can you remove religion from man? Remains to be seen.

Should you remove religion? If it effects a net balance, I say yes.

Would it? Unprovable.

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08 Dec 2008, 9:39 am

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It's odd for me to be arguing this point, because I'm an agnostic, but perhaps if more theists were like Mother Theresa, and less like GW Bush, I wouldn't hold such a poor opinion of them.

I see no reason to hold a high opinion of Mother Theresa. She was a twisted sado/masochist who was primarily concerned with spreading her influence in the Catholic church. She did very little good for the poor, and a whole lot of good for Papal prestige.

She worked with the poor of Calcutta her whole life. That's why she's saint today.

Calling her a twisted sado-masochist tells you don't know jack about anything.

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08 Dec 2008, 11:01 am

No, he knows jack about a whole lot. "Mutha" Theresa was one of the biggest frauds perpretrated against humankind ever. She only harmed the people she was supposed to be helping and nothing she did ever improved the conditions of the poor and oppressed.

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08 Dec 2008, 11:20 am

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Really? Then why was her name beatified after her death? Why is she now considered a saint? What an obscene and spurious comment to make. How disrespectful! She had more Christ-nature in her little finger than you will have in your entire body, ever. You're the Mutha in this case.

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08 Dec 2008, 11:24 am

I just realid this is a bunch of militant anti-theists on this thread. Suddenly that defamation o Mother Theresa is not so shocking. This is what you people do when you have nothing of your own to offer the world.

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08 Dec 2008, 11:35 am

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Really? Then why was her name beatified after her death? Why is she now considered a saint?

Please... tell us.

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08 Dec 2008, 11:50 am

She worked with the poor and the lepers of Calcutta, India.

Tell me, what good things have you done? What good have you done in the world? Do you serve other people or just yourselves?

How do atheists demonstrate their love, compassion, and charity in this world? You are certainly not a bunch of saints & heroes.

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08 Dec 2008, 12:29 pm

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How do atheists demonstrate their love, compassion, and charity in this world? You are certainly not a bunch of saints & heroes.

We don't kill each other over belief systems and make stupid rules. Sounds fair to me.
But I am not a complete atheist anyway, I have no idea on what happens after I die.

People lets face it.... the religious have more blood on their hands then the atheists. Religion did not create morals, humans did.

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08 Dec 2008, 12:46 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:

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How do atheists demonstrate their love, compassion, and charity in this world? You are certainly not a bunch of saints & heroes.

You haven't answered my questions. You just sidestepped them.

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08 Dec 2008, 1:05 pm

^^surely you're not saying that love, compassion and charity are exclusive to the religious?

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08 Dec 2008, 1:14 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:

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How do atheists demonstrate their love, compassion, and charity in this world? You are certainly not a bunch of saints & heroes.

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We don't kill each other over belief systems and make stupid rules. Sounds fair to me.

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But I am not a complete atheist anyway, I have no idea on what happens after I die.

Being athiest or agnostic is perfectly fine in my book... believe whatever you want to believe. But you're the one pushing all this on us. While I don't blame you for anything concerning the atrocities committed by religious organizations in the past, or think less of you for your beliefs, I will defend myself and my faith ...

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People lets face it.... the religious have more blood on their hands then the atheists. Religion did not create morals, humans did.

The religious also outnumber the athiests by a significant margin. There will be lovers and haters in any belief setting, regardless of how religious it is...

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08 Dec 2008, 1:18 pm

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^^surely you're not saying that love, compassion and charity are exclusive to the religious?

No, we aren't. We only wanted to get some examples (I can already think of a few; the myriad Red Cross societies come to mind fairly quickly)...

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08 Dec 2008, 1:22 pm

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But you're the one pushing all this on us. While I don't blame you for anything concerning the atrocities committed by religious organizations in the past, or think less of you for your beliefs, I will defend myself and my faith ...

The wars based on religious hatered are documented, I didn't make them up, so I wouldn't really call them a belief. There is nothing wrong with defending a faith, this is a debate what we are having, not "I am right" or "you are wrong" thread. I am not pushing anything, I am stating what is documented.

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The religious also outnumber the athiests by a significant margin. There will be lovers and haters in any belief setting, regardless of how religious it is...

Oh I am aware of that, I did not say that athiest's hands are bloodless, just less then the religious.

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08 Dec 2008, 2:01 pm

slowmutant wrote:

How do atheists demonstrate their love, compassion, and charity in this world? You are certainly not a bunch of saints & heroes.

Just as Christians, it's not a requirement for Atheists to 'demonstrate' their love, compassion or whatever to the world. And regarding 'heroes', it depends really what you'd consider a hero. Like there are plenty of Atheists that are scientists of course, that have saved lives with medicine, is that considered hero behavior? And of course plenty donate to charities and such, but really this doesn't have to do with what you believe. Just about every Christian I know does not demonstrate giving behavior on a daily basis or donate to charity etc. Also what makes saints good people? Because your church said they are? I don't take your church as a reliable source of information so I'm not going to bother using saint as a term.

And as I said many times, I don't give a flying dog crap if Buddhists or any other religious group saved the world from meteors or any other good deeds, all I care about is what's actually true. Your religion is almost obviously not the truth, which is why I don't believe it. Alright?

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08 Dec 2008, 10:04 pm

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^^surely you're not saying that love, compassion and charity are exclusive to the religious?

No.

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