I am a Jew but i am not Zionist

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many arab countries like Syria are depriving Jews from right by imposing restrictive laws like the OrdinancesValadolid imposed in the Spanish Kingdoms of Aragon and Castile in 1411 under the infulence of Vincent Ferrer (These laws played a big part in planting the seeds for The Spanish Inquisition, any way that is another story for those who want to Know More about Vincent Ferrer Click here ) and the Nazi laws, the Neturei Karta should negotiate with Syria to treat Jews with more respect in a simular Fashion to Iran, Jews are a treasure to Syria. on the other hand, no Syrian should emigrate to the Illegimate state of Israel.

I had to reply to the ignorance posted on this board....First off...Israel is Legitimate. Don't give me the battle cry of how Palestinians are mistreated so badly..You want to see how they are mistreated, go to Jordan and see the camps they are living under, while the Hashemite monarch, Abdullah lives in palaces. As far as the " right of return"..perhaps knowing that between 500,000-750,000 Mizrahi jews were thrown or expelled out of Islamic countries, from the Maghreb to Iran between 1948-1967, would be sufficent to understand how 500,000 Arabs were displaced after the 1948 war. If you are asking for Israel to disband, so that those Palestinians who have a high birthrate, ( and many of them never lived on the land in 1948-67) return, than you need to ask all those reactionary Islamic kingdoms to remove their anti-jewish laws, and allow hundreds of thousands of jews to return to those countries. The reality is that is not going to happen. In this day in age, the fact that people are debating whether Israel has a right to exist is humorous. You do know that Pakistan was an artifical country created after the Partition of British India, right? and that the communal violence between Hindus/Muslims who fled east/west makes the refugee situation between Jews/Arabs look minuscule. The fact also remains that if Arabs had accepted the 1937 Peel report partition plan, and accepted the 1948 Partition plan they would have had a state. I have no problem with groups of people who choose war over accommodation and reality, losing their right to determine the outcome of a peace treaty. I am really glad most of you aren't in any position of negotiations on this issue, as everyone who does knows that the Basis of negotiations is on UN resolutions 242 and 336. Go look into the peace process as created at Madrid-Camp David II period. And how do i know this? Because i have a Masters in European and Middle east history...Go study the Balfour declaration, and Post-British rule in the Ottoman provinces.

Just to remind you all, i am a jew myself but not Zionist.

Technically, many Muslim countries want them back, because the Jews are particulary important in their heritage, particulary in the work of Handicrafts, e.g in Yemen the Jews were an important part in the Jewelry trade, these Jews known as yemenites produced stunning filigree Jewelry, now this is really sad, because Yemen's Jews were stolen by the ilegimate state of Israel, almost all the amazing silver smiths who were jewish have gone. these countries needs these Jews back, on the other hand the countries should Treat these Jews kindly in a simular fashion to Iran.

There are a lot of jews who are pro and anti zionist, it has to do with the interpretation of the Talmud. As i reckon there are two versions of it, the oral one, which allows for interpretation and is rather vague, which justifies the creation of Israel on Palestinian soil, and the written one, more orthodox, is the one against the state of Israel, since it tells that they have to wait for the messenger to show them where the "holy land" might be (and it might not be Palestine).

I'm generally in favor of supporting Israel. I'm against any expansionist tendencies, against tearing down Arab houses in Israel, against settlements in the West Bank. I support a two-state solution. I'm also in favor of going after Hamas and Palestinian terrorists. I don't know if that makes me Zionist. Zionism doesn't automatically mean excluding Arabs from Israel.

What is your point? Zionism as defined by the 1897 Basle convention and through most of Jewish history simply is defined as the right of Jews to a Jewish homeland...This is merely what it is...The fact you are jewish and ignorant of that definition, really shocks me. Understanding How Zionism as a political movement sprang about and the necessity of it, especially in Post-Holocaust studies and European antisemitism is of critical importance. You have a right to your opinion, and you also have a right to be wrong. Jews as any other national group have a right to exist. Israel already agrees to a Palestinian state, this has been proven by different Israeli political leaders who have sat down and asked for negotiations for the future status of the States in question..You just don't hand over territory to a people who condone sending terrorists at your state, thats out of the question. If you had studied the Post-Rabin/Arafat summit and what was settled at Madrid and Oslo you would know that the future status negotiations are supposed to be negotiated off of UN resolutions 242 and 336...come back to me after you actually have studied the conflict, know the roots of the conflict going back to late 19th century European history, and understand the depths of how biased you are and one sided in your approach. BTW, the Arab national movement was sprung about around the same time that the Aliyah movements to the Yishuv were founded, it was called Pan-Arabism based in Damascus where they wanted their own independent Arab states broken off the Ottoman empire.

First off, the two Talmuds you are referring to are the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The interpretations of those Talmuds have nothing to do with the modern state of Israel. They were codified in the 1st-3rd centuries to carry Oral Jewish law forward. Their is a small, and by small i mean minuscule group of Jews, who are called Neuteri Karta who reject the Talmud and believe in strict interpretation of the Tanakh ( Jewish Old Testament). The differences between both Talmuds is the language, Jerusalem one written in Aramaic and the Babylonian one in Hebrew. Also, slight differences in what laws are written down. Its complicated to understand this without basic knowledge of Jewish Literature. But, like i said..it has absolutely nothing to do with the modern state of Israel.

Hmm thanks for clarifying that matter for me.

oh look, another anti-zionist.

Anti-zionism is a mental disorder that requires a complete refusal of both history and reason. Everyone who holds that "opinion" should be either corrected or shot.

The remedies of correction and shooting are the basic tools of any totalitarian regime, even those masquerading as democracies.. Israel has learned well from history.

Aye, so is incasing entire villages within concrete walls right?

No it is the other way round, Zionism is a mental Disorder

They don't enclose " entire villages"..the Wall separates Israeli territory from so called Palestinian territory...Perhaps knowing that it has worked and their has been a huge drop in suicide bombings would be a great thing to know. I guess those poor " innocent" Palestinians who elected a government, Hamas, in 2005, which in its platform calls for the elimination of Israel, just had no responsibility condoning terrorists striking at Israel and terrorizing their population for the past 10 years. Once again, there would be no Wall without terrorists continuing to strike at another nations territory. And Israel has every right to build a wall separating its country from another country. Its not Israels job to make it easy for people to come in and attack them, that is idiotic.

So...a Jewish homeland is a " mental disorder"...how dumb can you possibly be?

Not as dumb as you.