What if the Bible was true?

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12 Mar 2009, 11:48 am

i find some subjects uninteresting to debate.

wether or not a man really walked on top of a lake, is one of those subjects.

DID HE or DID HE NOT make blind people see, by just commanding it?

DID HE or DID HE NOT part the ocean, by asking god to? (the other dude.)

DID SHE or DID SHE NOT squeeze a kid out without ever having been humped? how does this work with the genetics? can a woman spontaneously clone herself off as a man?
lets debate.

if we remove christianity of all the unrealistic stuff, thats pointlessssssss to debate, we're left with this:

Long ago it was hot and dry in the middle east. (it still is)
People lived there, and it was common for men to grow a beard, and wear robes. (still is! )
The romans could be some real pains in the ass.
Every now and then, there was a drought.

and the morale clues:

life gives way for life through death

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12 Mar 2009, 11:49 am

Not really the method of killing, except for one curse, but rather the rank of the Person killed.

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12 Mar 2009, 11:51 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Not really the method of killing, except for one curse, but rather the rank of the Person killed.

billions of people in earth's history has been killed over religion!
its evil-99% of religions are about control, money and power

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12 Mar 2009, 11:53 am

Kilroy wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Not really the method of killing, except for one curse, but rather the rank of the Person killed.

billions of people in earth's history has been killed over religion!
its evil-99% of religions are about control, money and power

Billions of people haven't been on the Earth at the same time until the last 200 years.

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12 Mar 2009, 11:57 am

I know, I meant if you took all the numbers through out our 2 million year history as a species
if you took all the people and add them up-you'll get billions

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12 Mar 2009, 12:01 pm

Kilroy wrote:

I know, I meant if you took all the numbers through out our 2 million year history as a species
if you took all the people and add them up-you'll get billions

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

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12 Mar 2009, 12:05 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

I know, I meant if you took all the numbers through out our 2 million year history as a species
if you took all the people and add them up-you'll get billions

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

god damnet re you like thick in the head or are you jut trying to annoy me

its simple statistics-do you understand statistics!?
if you take their names down-in a book-for everyone that was killed for a religious reason-there would be billions of names in that book
even in the last 2000 years-there would at least be a billion!

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12 Mar 2009, 2:30 pm

Kilroy wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Kilroy wrote:

I know, I meant if you took all the numbers through out our 2 million year history as a species
if you took all the people and add them up-you'll get billions

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

Fine, lets say a trillion were killed just for the sake of argument. Here is my question again:

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

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12 Mar 2009, 2:43 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

Homo sapien sapien has been around for maybe 250,000 years. Until very recently we lived in small numbers and after the eruption of the Toba supervolcano probably less thatn 20,000 survived. That was the last major population bottleneck until the ice age. Living in the brink of starvation and having a low net rate of increase explains the numbers. Our numbers began to burgeon after the agricultural mode of existence became the common mode for humans. That was very recent, less than ten thousand years.

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12 Mar 2009, 2:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

If humans were present, in some form or other, without birth control for 2 million years, why haven't we surpassed the steady state of the Sigmoid curve for population growth?

So, in terms of population growth, there is little difference between the
evolutionary model and what would be the case assuming the Bible's veracity?

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12 Mar 2009, 6:58 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

So, in terms of population growth, there is little difference between the
evolutionary model and what would be the case assuming the Bible's veracity?

The Bible says the entire cosmos is 6000 years old or thereabouts. So much for the Bible. It is a book of stories not to be taken as either testable theory or literal fact.

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12 Mar 2009, 7:03 pm

Not only does the bible give a figure for the dawn of the universe that postdates several cities, but Adam and Eve lived about 100,000 years apart.

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12 Mar 2009, 7:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

So, in terms of population growth, there is little difference between the
evolutionary model and what would be the case assuming the Bible's veracity?

The Bible says the entire cosmos is 6000 years old or thereabouts. So much for the Bible. It is a book of stories not to be taken as either testable theory or literal fact.

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It took you 251 minutes to reply that? I asked in terms of population growth, not for a general statement. Also, assuming Ussher's date, the world would be about 6011 years old, not the cosmos, based on Adams age.

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12 Mar 2009, 7:13 pm

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Not only does the bible give a figure for the dawn of the universe that postdates several cities, but Adam and Eve lived about 100,000 years apart.

The mitochodrial Eve and y chromosome differ by 100,000 years? wow, I suppose the first human male or female must have had a brutish relationship to someone.

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12 Mar 2009, 7:16 pm

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So, in terms of population growth, there is little difference between the evolutionary model and what would be the case assuming the Bible's veracity?

I'm going to answer this one: yes, there's a difference. Human population estimates put the population as increasing quite substantially starting around 10,000 BC with the introduction of agriculture. By the year 4,000 BC, the world's population is estimated as around 20 fold the 10,000 BC picture.

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12 Mar 2009, 7:18 pm

twoshots wrote:

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So, in terms of population growth, there is little difference between the evolutionary model and what would be the case assuming the Bible's veracity?

So, around 4,350 BC, there would be about 400,000 humans rather than 8?

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