Is there any proof God exists?

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Thanks for the lead... an interesting read.

However, I can't see Nagel "attacking materialism"; he assumes Materialism but seems to say that the evidence for it is inadequate. (In my opinion "inadequate" is a euphemism for none at all).

Anyhow, thanks, but a nonsense does not become sense by being mixed in a tangle of spaghetti.

By the way, something Artistic

is happening to you

'hear' oldavid.

-"Bulldust"

by

Oldavid


That 'BULLDUST' STUFF

IS simply magnificent.

You are showing me

something

new and ARTY!

And I take GRE@deLIGHT

IN THAT,

my

friend...

65 pages in about six weeks??? I can't see the count or the start date at the moment.

AspieOtaku, you have the BEST troll I have seen in a LONG time!

With just a simple question. You the man!

Congrats! Outstanding!

Now, concerning the proof. I ... I... I know better than to get into a discussion about religion. Even NTs have their saying, "Anything but politics or religion", referring to if you are at a social gathering, watch out for those two topics, it can start an argument when an argument is not what you are looking for at the moment.

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Edit was I thought it was three days, this topic started Jan 27, 2015.

AS IS THE rule of Socrates, Open ended simple questions make a best way for COMPLEX philosophical discussions.

'AspieOtaku', and the female 'ANA' with all the o and O's, added to her user name, are truly invaluable Prospects in this Socratic method of discourse on this site.

And there was another 'Socrates', WHO used to frequent here more often, by the user name of 'Babybird'.

I can spot 'em almost immediately, as 'Socrates' IS HARD TO MISS, in all the human and or fictional or and non-fictional forms 'THAT' COMES in..

So-called 'Trolling', is all about human emotionalism, at the core of every semi-rational discussion that yields a diversity of new potential enlightening AND AWAKENING TRUEr knowledge..

It ruffles the feathers of literally thinking folks, no matter where one seeks new knowledge, AS WISDOM but that is the price of change; no pain, no gain.

THE GreaTEST LAW OF Mother Nature TRUE aka GOD, IS NO PAIN, NO GAIN, as applied to human advancement in greater TRUER HUMAN POTENTIAL, AT CORE Of what that even means to be HUMAN, IN ALL FRIGGING WAYS.

And 'THAT' SURE isn't limited to 'little thoughts in little heads'.

It's what grows from 'the seed' that makes THE POTENTIAL FOR a fullER realized living THINGY..

Are you aware that you are agreeing with me?

I have been tired of this for long time.

This is not a place to come for some interesting conversation with odd bods with interesting perspectives on the transient or sages with wisdom of experience and learning.

It is merely a reproduction of media hype egomania. The narcissists have taken over the asylum.

Does that mean that you agree with me?

I agree with that one specific post (except for 'Bulldust') below which I wrote "Are you aware you are agreeing with me". I will break it down to show the specific points of our mutual agreement in that post.




This is a point that the science-literate posters have been trying to get across for giant chunks of this thread. And I thought you weren't listening but I guess you were.

I did not stray from that point when I wrote


The accurate-as-possible model of nature is the end that the scientific method is trying to achieve. It looks like you thought I was saying that the scientific method is the model of nature but I was saying the scientific method is a way to get the model of nature.

And then I said


and you said


The only difference between those two sentences is that I give enmeshment as a motivator and you give fame and fortune as a motivator. But of course those aren't mutually exclusive motivators.

So sorry, you get tired, MR. OLDAVID.

I for one, never get tired, for long.
IN OTHER
words, I am kinda like a NEW David,
per that other list of names, I provide 'above'..

AS, I for one am a Master AT the practice of RE-
CREATION.

CASE IN point, thE 'dude' up 'tHere' is 54 not 45.

To some extent to RE-
CREATE
IS TO ESCAPE
DEATH
IN THE POTENTIAL THAT
CAN BE A LONGER more
blissful life.

Call it narcissism all you like.

But truly taking care of YOUR
SELF AND LOVING YOUR
SELF, AS A TEMPLE OF GOD
greater than any brick
and mortar church
or hard fact detailed science project, INSTEAD IN
ART OF PHYSICAL mortal INTELLIGENCE, RATHER THAN
science of stiff minded bodies and minds out of balance

IS SIMPLY a WAY TO THE HEAVEN OF NOW..
ALWAYS FOREVERMORE

NOW.

AND that my friend, is precisely
WHAT the gnostic historical dude
JESUS, in his REPORTED
mystical
ways of speaking
in metaphor, TOO, IS 'speaking' to.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

REAL LIFE STUFF, IS WHAT
the real so-called
reported GNOSTIC CHRISTIAN
JESUS IS ALL ABOUT..
FAR FAR BEYOnd, the books of an Abrahamic
Controlling GOD
TO the GOD OF FREEDOM AND EVERLASTING
LIFE IN THE NOW OF NOW OF HEAVEN IN NOW

with no cultural 'illusory feaRtures' practiced, as such.

Now is heaven, simply 'cause that is possible for those
who figure it out, with help or mostly on their own
to 'JUST DO IT', IN THE LAND OF THE BRAVE AND FREE..

THAT again can exist for folks who employee, develop,
and practice human relative free will in the ART of human
emotions of FAITH, HOPE, AND BELIEF WITH LIFE CHANGING
IMAGINATION AND CREATIVITY fully, in often miraculous SHOW.:.

Its a new record, all I had to ask if there is proof god exist then poof very long debate haha. I honestly dont believe there is an invisible bearded magical man in the sky.

Maybe its time to invoke Godwin

You mean William Godwin, lover of Mary Wollstonecraft?

65 pages is nothing. I've been on forums where topics like these run into hundreds of pages.

Why you must never trust a scientist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man

And yet you just did trust scientists: the ones who exposed it as a forgery. It was through the scientific method that it was eventually exposed as a forgery.

The same method can give you different answers. Never trust a scientist and never trust the scientific method. Be sceptical and ask questions.