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08 Jan 2018, 2:01 pm

SJW's have tunnel vision, in the sense that they blatantly disregard types of privilege. They don't realize that when a cop shows up and demands an unarmed autistic individual to move in a specific manner, and when the individual is unable to comply due to having a meltdown or executive functioning issues etc., that they can easily be shot on the spot. Cops can claim that the individual "looked" like they were reaching for something in their back pocket. Autistic people are very much discriminated against by authoritative figures, blacks and hispanics are not the only ones.

On the other hand, I would cringe to see SJW's 'adopt' the neurodiversity movement and turn it into some sort of Tumblrism or Twitter hashtag. I hate to say it, but there are people out there who would claim to be autistic just for YouTube views or to fit into a Tumblr community.


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08 Jan 2018, 2:38 pm

If white people had "privilege", no one would be allowed to criticise them and get away with it. Instead, it's all we hear. "Angry white men" blamed for Trump's victory, as well as white Russians. White people in the south of the US are made fun of and made to look like inbred simpletons in films. "White trash" is a socially acceptable term. You replace "white" with some other groups and you're done.


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08 Jan 2018, 5:20 pm

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If white people had "privilege", no one would be allowed to criticise them and get away with it. Instead, it's all we hear. "Angry white men" blamed for Trump's victory, as well as white Russians. White people in the south of the US are made fun of and made to look like inbred simpletons in films. "White trash" is a socially acceptable term. You replace "white" with some other groups and you're done.


I guess if you insist on redefining white privilege you might have a point. Unfortunately it's not one that actually addresses what the concept refers to.

Feel free to read this so you can actually make arguments that respond to the concept of white privilege instead of just sounding triggered:
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08 Jan 2018, 5:22 pm

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SJW's "hate" anybody who disagrees with them. They tend to ignore fundamentalist Islam because most of those problems are in another continent and thus they can't control or intimidate them like they can at home where many liberals, leftists, progressives, media often enable their bullying. They also understand that going after fundamentalist Islam may result in a terrorist attack against them.


How dare people worry more about problems in their own backyard first. That's just, unreasonable. They should support waging war against people halfway around the world and just ignore and tolerate all the problems within their own society. :wink:


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08 Jan 2018, 5:29 pm

Cardia wrote:
On the other hand, I would cringe to see SJW's 'adopt' the neurodiversity movement and turn it into some sort of Tumblrism or Twitter hashtag. I hate to say it, but there are people out there who would claim to be autistic just for YouTube views or to fit into a Tumblr community.


I have seen this a lot actually. People will use "I'm autistic!" as an excuse (they use other things as well, like BPD) to be horrible people. "I can't help it, I'm autistic!" It's frustrating. There's even a sort of meme now, "Some people are mean to cope!" because of how often bullies use their mental status as an excuse to be mean.

People also use being autistic to get "oppression points" so to speak, like there's a hierarchy of who gets to be heard the most? Like an Asian woman who got racially attacked by a black man gets silenced or a white mentally disabled man racially attacked by black people is totally not a racially motivated hate crime even with video evidence... It's hard to keep up on who has more say than others...

I saw a video I swore had to be a set up but apparently wasn't, where a Jewish man was telling this white man that he has all the privilege and how they're tired of all the white people, and this Native American came in and started agreeing, and then started complaining about how the media is Jewish controlled and how they always hear about the Holocaust but no one ever talks about the Natives and their troubles, etc, and it's like... it's a competition to see who is the worst victim, rather than trying to actually help everyone.

Though I do know that if you disagree with them, even if you're a physically disabled black trans autistic woman, you have no say. Their hierarchy only matters for people who agree with them, which is why it seems more like a cult than anything. Believe as they do or you're suddenly the worst thing they can think of and should have your life ruined :?


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08 Jan 2018, 5:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
If white people had "privilege", no one would be allowed to criticise them and get away with it. Instead, it's all we hear. "Angry white men" blamed for Trump's victory, as well as white Russians. White people in the south of the US are made fun of and made to look like inbred simpletons in films. "White trash" is a socially acceptable term. You replace "white" with some other groups and you're done.


I guess if you insist on redefining white privilege you might have a point. Unfortunately it's not one that actually addresses what the concept refers to.

Feel free to read this so you can actually make arguments that respond to the concept of white privilege instead of just sounding triggered:
http://code.ucsd.edu/pcosman/Backpack.pdf


The idea of there being a "white" privilege is actually pretty silly. Privilege is something that is only afforded to a few. The only time there is a "white" privilege is when there are laws or programs put in place that are afforded to only white people based solely on their race.

Here in SoCal where most of the population is not white, white privilege definitely does not exist. Do you really think Hispanics will take white people over other Hispanics? Do you think black people will cater to white people over black people? Tribalism doesn't work that way, and it's basic science that if anyone is going to give special treatment to others, it's generally going to be towards people who look like them and share their culture.

This idea that privilege is some innate thing that will always be is also very strange and has no place in logical thinking. Humans are not built on absolutes, we are a very diverse people especially in the US, where each state has its own culture, where even the cultures between neighboring cities can greatly differ. Go from San Bernardino to Salt Lake City and it's like a completely different country. Yet people are trying to claim the same rules apply everywhere. It just isn't possible.


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08 Jan 2018, 6:01 pm

kamiyu910 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
If white people had "privilege", no one would be allowed to criticise them and get away with it. Instead, it's all we hear. "Angry white men" blamed for Trump's victory, as well as white Russians. White people in the south of the US are made fun of and made to look like inbred simpletons in films. "White trash" is a socially acceptable term. You replace "white" with some other groups and you're done.


I guess if you insist on redefining white privilege you might have a point. Unfortunately it's not one that actually addresses what the concept refers to.

Feel free to read this so you can actually make arguments that respond to the concept of white privilege instead of just sounding triggered:
http://code.ucsd.edu/pcosman/Backpack.pdf


The idea of there being a "white" privilege is actually pretty silly. Privilege is something that is only afforded to a few. The only time there is a "white" privilege is when there are laws or programs put in place that are afforded to only white people based solely on their race.

Here in SoCal where most of the population is not white, white privilege definitely does not exist. Do you really think Hispanics will take white people over other Hispanics? Do you think black people will cater to white people over black people? Tribalism doesn't work that way, and it's basic science that if anyone is going to give special treatment to others, it's generally going to be towards people who look like them and share their culture.

This idea that privilege is some innate thing that will always be is also very strange and has no place in logical thinking. Humans are not built on absolutes, we are a very diverse people especially in the US, where each state has its own culture, where even the cultures between neighboring cities can greatly differ. Go from San Bernardino to Salt Lake City and it's like a completely different country. Yet people are trying to claim the same rules apply everywhere. It just isn't possible.


It's perfectly reasonable to suggest that some aspects of what is described as white privilege would be reduced in a community that isn't white majority. I fail to see how that makes the entire concept flawed, only your understanding of the concept. :wink:


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09 Jan 2018, 12:03 pm

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I fail to see where you've raised anything resembling a valid point.

It's only because you fail to see. Ok, let me explain it in very simple words: there are 2 possible reasons, why blacks get shot by the police more often. And as long as I don't see any strong evidence in favor of one of those options, they both are equally legit. You can't discard one of those options just because you want to.
I think this was simple enough even for an SJW to understand.

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You claimed that 'SJWs' are motivated for hatred for conservatives and love Islam

And now you're trying to deny the obvious. That looks silly.



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09 Jan 2018, 1:22 pm

Cardia wrote:
On the other hand, I would cringe to see SJW's 'adopt' the neurodiversity movement and turn it into some sort of Tumblrism or Twitter hashtag. I hate to say it, but there are people out there who would claim to be autistic just for YouTube views or to fit into a Tumblr community.

As a whole I do not expect the illiberal left to embrace ND because different/alternative thinking is not tolerated. If anything we may become a major target because of the white, male rich silicon valley stereotypes.

There are some SJW elements in the ND movement calls to prosecute “curabees” for hate speech, some ND blogs that ban certain viewpoints as triggering etc.

ND’s are not the only ones in the autism community with this mentality. “Worrier Moms” is a term invented by themselves. All those NT’s that mess up comment sections of autism blogs and articles correcting people for using “autistic” instead of “person with autism” because equating the person with thier label is offensive. How is this any different then white college people attacking and banning people for what they think is implied racism against “people of color”?

Defending the right of people to express ideas is often very a painful endeavor. I have to defend the rights of people who do not deserve frreedom of expression and are actively working against free speech. It means means sometimes defending the rights of people who want to kill me.

It is so very tempting to make an exception for “them”. But as an autistic I realize to most people I am “them” which is why I fear what is happaning on campuses and influencial companies.


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09 Jan 2018, 2:52 pm

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Black men make up 6% percent of the U.S. population, but account for 40% of the unarmed men shot to death by police.

There are 2 possible explanations.
1. The police loves to shoot blacks.
2. Blacks commit violent crimes much more often than whites.
It seems that in your SJW reality the option 2 is not even considered.


3. All of the above

The accepted law enforcement definition of "violent crime" as laid out in the FBI's UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting) system includes/is limited to four specific categories of crime:

1. Murder (including non-negligent manslaughter)
2. Rape
3. Robbery
4. Aggravated Assault

In 2013, in these four categories, the total number of perpetrators arrested who identified as white/caucasian was 228,782. During the same period of time in the same categories, the number of perpetrators arrested who identified as black/African-American was 151,627. Ergo, more white folks arrested for violent crimes than black folks. Significantly more.

Breaking it down by category:

1. Murder - 3,799 caucasians arrested vs. 4,379 blacks.
2. Rape - 8,946 caucasians arrested vs. 4,229 blacks.
3. Robbery - 32,945 caucasians arrested vs. 44,271 blacks.
4. Aggravated assault - 183,092 caucasians arrested vs. 98,748 blacks.

So more black people arrested for murder and robbery, but significantly more white people arrested for rape and aggravated assault. And yet, somewhere along the line downstream, an awful lot of those white folks don't get charged. Or they get decent legal representation and are acquitted. Or they get decent legal representation and are able to plead out to a lower (non-violent) category. Or they get deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing deals and either avoid prison altogether or get far shorter sentences than black people convicted of the same crimes.

Bureau of Justice Statistics regarding sentencing

Of course, there's significant variation between different circuits of the court system, but the facts are clear. Systemwide, all other things being equal, white perpetrators are arrested for more violent crimes, but black perpetrators are convicted more often and sentenced more harshly.

Before you scream "SJW" at me, I'm former law enforcement myself. I want criminals locked up where they can't hurt me or my family...I just think the question of whether a criminal gets locked up, and for how long, should be answered based on the crime rather than the color of the sh*tbag's hide or the quality of the lawyer he can afford to hire. I have personally seen numerous examples of the conviction and sentencing bias. It is systemic, it is wrong, and it needs to be corrected before we can have any pretense of a fair and equal judicial system in the U.S.


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09 Jan 2018, 3:45 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Black men make up 6% percent of the U.S. population, but account for 40% of the unarmed men shot to death by police.

There are 2 possible explanations.
1. The police loves to shoot blacks.
2. Blacks commit violent crimes much more often than whites.
It seems that in your SJW reality the option 2 is not even considered.


3. All of the above

The accepted law enforcement definition of "violent crime" as laid out in the FBI's UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting) system includes/is limited to four specific categories of crime:

1. Murder (including non-negligent manslaughter)
2. Rape
3. Robbery
4. Aggravated Assault

In 2013, in these four categories, the total number of perpetrators arrested who identified as white/caucasian was 228,782. During the same period of time in the same categories, the number of perpetrators arrested who identified as black/African-American was 151,627. Ergo, more white folks arrested for violent crimes than black folks. Significantly more.

Breaking it down by category:

1. Murder - 3,799 caucasians arrested vs. 4,379 blacks.
2. Rape - 8,946 caucasians arrested vs. 4,229 blacks.
3. Robbery - 32,945 caucasians arrested vs. 44,271 blacks.
4. Aggravated assault - 183,092 caucasians arrested vs. 98,748 blacks.

So more black people arrested for murder and robbery, but significantly more white people arrested for rape and aggravated assault. And yet, somewhere along the line downstream, an awful lot of those white folks don't get charged. Or they get decent legal representation and are acquitted. Or they get decent legal representation and are able to plead out to a lower (non-violent) category. Or they get deferred prosecution/deferred sentencing deals and either avoid prison altogether or get far shorter sentences than black people convicted of the same crimes.

Bureau of Justice Statistics regarding sentencing

Of course, there's significant variation between different circuits of the court system, but the facts are clear. Systemwide, all other things being equal, white perpetrators are arrested for more violent crimes, but black perpetrators are convicted more often and sentenced more harshly.

Before you scream "SJW" at me, I'm former law enforcement myself. I want criminals locked up where they can't hurt me or my family...I just think the question of whether a criminal gets locked up, and for how long, should be answered based on the crime rather than the color of the sh*tbag's hide or the quality of the lawyer he can afford to hire. I have personally seen numerous examples of the conviction and sentencing bias. It is systemic, it is wrong, and it needs to be corrected before we can have any pretense of a fair and equal judicial system in the U.S.


There are many more white people arrested then black people in part because there are many more white people then black people. The percentage of blacks people arrested is much higher. There have been endless books, studies, articles trying to explain why, way to involved for a web forum. All I can say with confidence is the blacks are not genetically predisposed to be more violent then whites and racism is one reason.


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09 Jan 2018, 3:55 pm

Piobare pointed out an apparent racial disparity in the number of people shot to death by law enforcement.

XenoMind implied this could be due to black people committing more violent crimes than whites.

I'm responding to that. Statistically, white people committed more violent crimes. For the purpose of that comparison, the racial distribution of the general population is irrelevant - out of the violent crimes for which an arrest was made, the clear majority of the perpetrators were white, while the obscenely overwhelming majority of the suspects (not even perpetrators necessarily at that point, mind you) shot to death were black.

XenoMind's suggestion that black perpetrators are shot more often because there are more of them is not supported by statistics collected by the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics.


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09 Jan 2018, 5:50 pm

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In 2013, in these four categories, the total number of perpetrators arrested who identified as white/caucasian was 228,782. During the same period of time in the same categories, the number of perpetrators arrested who identified as black/African-American was 151,627.

Oh come on. You do know what "percentage" is, don't you?

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So more black people arrested for murder and robbery, but significantly more white people arrested for rape and aggravated assault.

I'm perfectly sure that perpetrators have much higher chances of being shot when they're trying to murder someone, rather than when they're trying to beat or rape someone.
Congratulations, you've just given a good argument for the version that blacks are being shot more often due to their higher criminal activity.



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In 2013, in these four categories, the total number of perpetrators arrested who identified as white/caucasian was 228,782. During the same period of time in the same categories, the number of perpetrators arrested who identified as black/African-American was 151,627.

Oh come on. You do know what "percentage" is, don't you?

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So more black people arrested for murder and robbery, but significantly more white people arrested for rape and aggravated assault.

I'm perfectly sure that perpetrators have much higher chances of being shot when they're trying to murder someone, rather than when they're trying to beat or rape someone.
Congratulations, you've just given a good argument for the version that blacks are being shot more often due to their higher criminal activity.

Yes, I'm well aware of what a percentage is. I'm also well aware that people whose claims on raw numbers have been discredited by statistical citations will often try to switch the topic to percentages to confuse others.

Are you seriously trying to propose that the majority of the people of color shot by law enforcement were shot as they were trying to commit murder? I would welcome your evidence for that assertion.


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09 Jan 2018, 6:21 pm

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Yes, I'm well aware of what a percentage is.

You didn't even mention it, so I assume that you don't.

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Are you seriously trying to propose that the majority of the people of color shot by law enforcement were shot as they were trying to commit murder? I would welcome your evidence for that assertion.

No I'm not, don't try to pull the "Straw Man" on me.
What I'm saying is that the higher number or murderers and muggers among blacks very obviously leads to higher numbers of blacks being shot. So, it's the argument for the theory 2.
Are some blacks being shot just because they are black and live in a bad neighborhood, even though they we never involved in any crime? Possibly, but we don't really know as I haven't seen any single argument for the theory 1 so far.



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10 Jan 2018, 1:25 am

The demographic that makes up around 6% of the population commits around 50% of the entire country's murders, while the demographic that makes up around 32% of the population commits the other 50%. There is a huge disparity there.

I said it before in other responses, it has a lot to do with the mindset in the communities that "education is for white folk." Yet no one has even seemed to have glanced at that. No one ever wants to talk about how intelligent kids are pressured into gang activity, how education is being labeled as a "white" thing and anything "white" is bad. No one wants to talk about how people are pushing the idea that education is racist now, or the very prevalent idea that "you can't succeed because of your skin color because white people won't let you." It's very rampant, and yet people continue to ignore it and continue to push things that make it worse.

I was even called racist for telling a young black girl that she could succeed on her own.

And people wonder why there are problems...


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