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11 Aug 2007, 11:13 am

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It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).


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11 Aug 2007, 11:14 am

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gay bashing is hate
So is bashing anybody.


Exactly.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:15 am

Sopho wrote:
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gay bashing is hate
So is bashing anybody.

Depends. I think it's OK to bash someone for their opinions or actions. Not for what they are though. I don't mind people bashing me for having certain views or doing something they disapprove of, it does bother me if it's because I'm not straight, or I'm white, or I have brown hair.


Being bashed bothers everybody. There's no dichotomy there.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:16 am

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I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:20 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).

Winning what?



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11 Aug 2007, 11:21 am

Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:22 am

Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

You make up s**t about them though. ie. they can choose to be straight. Or that I hate men.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:23 am

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Yes, well. One would hope it was just a person's views that were being debated. I don't think disagreement means "hate" - it just means disagreement.

But it's not just a disagreement if what they're 'bashing' is what the person is, rather than their opinions or beliefs.


It IS a disagreement if the person disagreeing with homosexual behavior believes such behavior is a status, not an identity. Nice try.


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11 Aug 2007, 11:24 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.

I smell hypocrisy in what you said there. Ragtime could argue that you made a choice to be gay...



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11 Aug 2007, 11:24 am

Ragtime wrote:
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Yes, well. One would hope it was just a person's views that were being debated. I don't think disagreement means "hate" - it just means disagreement.

But it's not just a disagreement if what they're 'bashing' is what the person is, rather than their opinions or beliefs.


It IS a disagreement if the person disagreeing with homosexual behavior believes such behavior is a status, not an identity. Nice try.

You can believe me having sex with a woman is wrong all you want. But I'm not. Yet you still made up lies about me because I'm not straight.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:25 am

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It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).

Winning what?


Eventually, everything gays want. Even church leadership!! :roll: Ya, we're really fighting you hard....


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11 Aug 2007, 11:26 am

Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.

I smell hypocrisy in what you said there. Ragtime could argue that you made a choice to be gay...

He could. But I know that I didn't. So I can honestly say that. You don't have to believe me, but it doesn't mean I'm being a hypocrite. I know I didn't choose not to be straight, but I also know that no ones biologically a Christian.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:27 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
It's relevant because there aren't a shedload of gay people specifically targeting Christians and making out they're inferior 0r bad people. Canceling a funeral just because you find out the dead person was gay is.


Well, everyone knows that Christianity employs passive resistance against homosexual behavior. (It's WHY you guys are winning -- cuz we're just sitting there letting you).

Winning what?


Eventually, everything gays want. Even church leadership!! :roll: Ya, we're really fighting you hard....

I don't want anything to do with your ret*d church.
We just want rights ffs. Why are you too stupid to understand that?
We're not trying to inflict anything on you. I don't want the right to get married in a church. I don't want to ban straight marriage, or religion, or stop you praying. I just want the same rights that you have.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:29 am

Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.


So I "chose" that I believe in a God I've personally known since I was three? If you meet a new friend, do you CHOOSE to believe they exist? No, course not, because YOU CAN'T DENY THEY EXIST. Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view". :lol:


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11 Aug 2007, 11:31 am

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
I was bashing what he beleived in-not what he is
if I said, white's suck (despite the fact I was white) then I'd be targeting him as a person
I was simply targeting his beleifs
like he targets mine...


Bashing someone because of their religion is WRONG.

And I don't bash anyone; I simply give my viewpoint when asked. This is a free country, therefore many people have differing views on just about any issue under the sun. Bashing someone for their views is still WRONG, and immature.
My saying that, as a Christian, I hold Christian views, simply means that I'm a Christian. I don't actively oppose gays, but I AM entitled to my opinion.

Why?
You chose it. You weren't born a Christian. You're not biologically a Christian. You're the one who sits here denying people their rights. You deserve to get bashed.


So I "chose" that I believe in a God I've personally known since I was three? If you meet a new friend, do you CHOOSE to believe they exist? No, course not, because YOU CAN'T DENY THEY EXIST. Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view". :lol:

You choose to practice your religion. It's based on your beliefs and opinions. Therefore it's who you are, not what you are. I can bash you for having s**t beliefs, you can bash me for having (what you may believe to be) s**t beliefs. N ot for what I am though.



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11 Aug 2007, 11:32 am

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Therefore, their existence is a simple fact which is stuck in your brain, not a "chosen view".

And it's not a 'fact' that your god exists. :lol: